I just received a notice that I was DQ'd for adjustment disorder, but was never diagnosed with a disorder and not prescribed medication. My parents wanted me to talk to someone because they thought I needed an outlet. After a few sessions he determined that we no longer needed to meet and wrote in my records that I didn't have any issues or required further meetings. What happens now? Am I too late to get an appointment to West Point?
Disqualified due to Adjustment Disorder - Still under Waiver Review
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There's many reasons why folks can be DQd and without a diagnosis and not on meds, which is why I don't answer specific questions on the SAF.
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See my post DQ Advice for Parents in the DoDMBERB forum - very relevant to your situation. Our DS was never on medication either and medication is not required for this to be a DQ. Don't panic, stay positive and follow Mr. Mullen's advice!
Thank you sir! Just sent.There's many reasons why folks can be DQd and without a diagnosis and not on meds, which is why I don't answer specific questions on the SAF.
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That is my same question. I had a couple of sessions to talk about applying to colleges and going thru this process. We even ran out of things to talk about which is when he determined that there was no need to continue.
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As Mr. Mullen indicated in his post, it's not as simple as meds or no meds. If you haven't already, maybe read the post I recommended - DQ'd under similar circumstances, waiver review requested by SA, AMI's, waiver granted and appointment received. The process, how long each step took, it's all in the thread I referenced - you might find that helpful. Good luck. I hope it works out for you.
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DS is currently going through the process just like you but is further along so I will help with whatever info we have found along the way. First, you may think that you were never diagnosed but in order for any therapist or counselor to put invoice in for insurance they have to provide a code which is essentially a diagnosis. The code for self-adjustment disorder is a cover-all. Second, Mr. Mullen is absolutely who you need to inquire with. He works every day all day it seems and even called my DS at 10:30 at night to put him at ease with the process. With all the shootings in the world and mental health being targeted it seems all the branches are looking closely at individuals who check off anything related in that category. That being said, DS was told that if self-adjustment meetings were truly just about normal 16-17 year old stuff, then there should be no worries with waiver. The next part is important. You most likely will be requested to have the therapist/counselor provide the actual clinical notes. This can be an issue. My DS requested and was told from his counselor that he doesn't provide notes ever and would write a summary and evaluation. A summary and evaluation will not be sufficient. There are different laws in every state as to if the therapist/counselor legally has to provide them. Luckily in my DS case, he begged his counselor and was provided the actual notes. I'm telling you this because you may want to start the process now to try and get the notes so it doesn't hold up the timeframe of waiver review which can take quite some time I've read on this forum. I also can say that I don't think (have read) any branch considers DQ when considering appointment offers. But to receive full appointment you obviously need to get waiver. DS currently CGAS appointment conditional on waiver. Hoping for waiver before the June 1 deadline to receive waiver.
Best of luck to you and I hope some of this info helped ease your mind.This helped a lot. Thankfully the counselor I met with provided all the notes and I submitted those. The meetings were never paid thru an insurance program so there was a need to provide a code or diagnosis. The counselor is willing to put something in writing to say I never had symptoms or diagnosis. I wonder if this will help?DS is currently going through the process just like you but is further along so I will help with whatever info we have found along the way. First, you may think that you were never diagnosed but in order for any therapist or counselor to put invoice in for insurance they have to provide a code which is essentially a diagnosis. The code for self-adjustment disorder is a cover-all. Second, Mr. Mullen is absolutely who you need to inquire with. He works every day all day it seems and even called my DS at 10:30 at night to put him at ease with the process. With all the shootings in the world and mental health being targeted it seems all the branches are looking closely at individuals who check off anything related in that category. That being said, DS was told that if self-adjustment meetings were truly just about normal 16-17 year old stuff, then there should be no worries with waiver. The next part is important. You most likely will be requested to have the therapist/counselor provide the actual clinical notes. This can be an issue. My DS requested and was told from his counselor that he doesn't provide notes ever and would write a summary and evaluation. A summary and evaluation will not be sufficient. There are different laws in every state as to if the therapist/counselor legally has to provide them. Luckily in my DS case, he begged his counselor and was provided the actual notes. I'm telling you this because you may want to start the process now to try and get the notes so it doesn't hold up the timeframe of waiver review which can take quite some time I've read on this forum. I also can say that I don't think (have read) any branch considers DQ when considering appointment offers. But to receive full appointment you obviously need to get waiver. DS currently CGAS appointment conditional on waiver. Hoping for waiver before the June 1 deadline to receive waiver.
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Here we go. This is the reason for my question. I’m sure you dropped a word and meant to write “there was no need to provide a code or diagnosis.” If the counselor had put in an ICD-10 code, you possibly would still be in deep kimchee.
Filling out ALL forms accurately is important. Talking with someone about issues and receiving therapy for a mental health disorder are two different things and how one responds to questions about said conversations can be life-path-altering as you have discovered.
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I do trust you. I acknowledge you are the expert.Devil Doc - Still not there....We don't need ICD codes...there are many other nuanced reasons for DQs to be applied. Trust me, this is my area of expertise
I chose the wrong forum to solicit more info from the OP which might be helpful to others. Info beyond what you can legally or morally say publicly. Have a nice day.
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You're the man, man.Our honor and privilege to serve
Mr Mullen... would it be possible for you to review my email today?There's many reasons why folks can be DQd and without a diagnosis and not on meds, which is why I don't answer specific questions on the SAF.
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If I receive it. I haven't received this email yet. I've received 79 emails since 5 PM yesterday, so my email is working.
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kdubb =
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The subject line of the email should be “kdubb - SAF = Disqualified due to Adjustment Disorder - Still under Waiver Review"
Apologies Mr. Mullen. I sent a new email just now. Thank you again for your time.