Division I atheltics

A1Janitor said:
lol I think he was a good high school wrestler.

(One of DS’ D1 wrestler friends is like 150. I took him out to dinner when he came to visit and told him I would crush him - I am 230 and trained JKD. He was jovial and said “yes, sir.” At USNA graduation night - I visited them partying. He had a beer in one hand - I went to shake his other hand and tried to throw him. He moved not one inch. I immediately let go of him and told him I had him. He said “yes, you did, sir.”)
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12-ounces of courage from a 12-peace dinner …
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FutureAcademyDad? said:
You might want to follow your own advice...
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True, but I wasn't quoting total numbers of athletes or who was the top kid in class and what sport he did (which was weird). All mids or cadets at the academies are athletes. These threads are sometimes 'lost in translation' because they're online, in an anonymous forum. (And I did offer apologies in advance for my post because I know it's ridiculous to compare athletes in sports and how 'tough' they are.)
 
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NavyHoops said:
Water polo does produce a lot of EOD and SEAL candidates. Not a massive team, but always a handful who get selected most years .
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Not surprising to me at all. I know nothing about water polo. I just know every time I watch it on the Olympics, it looks like an impossible sport. All of those men and women are beasts.
 
Capt MJ said:
Well said. Many athletes are on Supe’s List, Dean’s List, etc. and have excellent past history on their applications in all desirable areas.

One of our current sponsor family, a recruited athlete, has earned a stellar GPA every semester to date, plus As in military aptitude (difficult for varsity athletes because of away-from-company time and the occasional choice of some to lump all athletes together in a negative stereotype - this person invested time in company and showed up) and some other top-of-pack accomplishments that would likely make them identifiable.

I would gladly let varsity athletes like these into the class every time if I had the magic wand. They bring expertise and high performance in an area associated with many attributes of high-performing leaders, and clearly had the academic and military chops to make it through. They brought all their skills to the table as military leaders in the combat zone and paid the ultimate price for serving.
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And Becky Dowling Calder, women’s basketball captain both as a 2/C and 1/C, winner of the ADM Larson Leadership Award, outstanding in academics and all-around midshipman performance. One of the best games I saw her play, delivering amazing stats, she played sick, with a fever, pushing herself through because she knew, as an athlete, what her body could take, and put her team first.

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There is room for all kinds of skill sets in the class. There is an affinity between military leadership and many of the traits needed to excel as athletes. Others gain the same skills outside athletic endeavors, which enriches the class just as well.

Of course, there are poor-performing mids among the varsity athlete population, just as there are among the non-athlete population. They should be considered as individual cases, not necessarily as a representative of a group.
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THANK YOU for sharing the two links about the "Brothers Forever," and about Becky Calder. Inspirational seems to be the only word I can think of at the moment, and that's certainly an inadequate expression while dealing with an "allergy attack."
 
Still no answer to the original post. Have seen many factors here discussed concerning admissions, with the application of tea leaves and magic 8 balls. Just figuring to field so many varsity sports, as was pointed out in the five star video, that would limit the already limited spots available.
 
It hasn’t been answered because USNA doesn’t release that data. Not to mention USNA doesn’t release data on walk ons, those who changed sports, multi-sport athletes, those who walked away from their sport.
 
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Kentucky9 said:
Still no answer to the original post. Have seen many factors here discussed concerning admissions, with the application of tea leaves and magic 8 balls. Just figuring to field so many varsity sports, as was pointed out in the five star video, that would limit the already limited spots availabl
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There isn’t an answer. I really don’t understand your OP question, either. My son left his sport. And he also gained entry on his own merits, 3 noms, principal nominee.

Your question seems loaded to ‘athletes take away spots (“eat up spots”). I guess it’s how you look at it: apointees who happen to be successful at sports, as well as everything else. Or, athletes selected, who happen to fit the appointment requirements.

I would argue it’s the former. That these Uber successful amazing candidate leader kids are also athletes. And team captains, at that.

I honestly don’t know what you are wondering about with the last sentence of your original post “With NIL and the professionalism of college athletics….just interesting”. What does this even mean?

Either way, there isn’t data for you. Hence no “answer”.
 
justdoit19 said:
There isn’t an answer. I really don’t understand your OP question, either. My son left his sport. And he also gained entry on his own merits, 3 noms, principal nominee.

Your question seems loaded to ‘athletes take away spots (“eat up spots”). I guess it’s how you look at it: apointees who happen to be successful at sports, as well as everything else. Or, athletes selected, who happen to fit the appointment requirements.

I would argue it’s the former. That these Uber successful amazing candidate leader kids are also athletes. And team captains, at that.

I honestly don’t know what you are wondering about with the last sentence of your original post “With NIL and the professionalism of college athletics….just interesting”. What does this even mean?

Either way, there isn’t data for you. Hence no “answer”.
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The data is in a recent reviewed pamphlet acquired at a service academy day. When you look at it, it really breaks down this graduating classes numbers. If admissions is hell bent on fielding the amount of division I athletes in the current era of professional college sports….then all I am saying is that the very few spots to me become even fewer.

That’s not a complaint, just an observation, a real observation as it relates to prospective applicants.
 
Kentucky9 said:
The data is in a recent reviewed pamphlet acquired at a service academy day. When you look at it, it really breaks down this graduating classes numbers. If admissions is hell bent on fielding the amount of division I athletes in the current era of professional college sports….then all I am saying is that the very few spots to me become even fewer.

That’s not a complaint, just an observation, a real observation as it relates to prospective applicants.
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I guess this is what I don't follow. Yes, USNA is NCAA Division I. How does the current trend in D1 athletics centered so much on name, image, and likeness have anything to do with the number of athletes at a service academy? I'm not trying to be difficult. I just don't understand what you're implying.
 
Kentucky9 said:
The data is in a recent reviewed pamphlet acquired at a service academy day. When you look at it, it really breaks down this graduating classes numbers. If admissions is hell bent on fielding the amount of division I athletes in the current era of professional college sports….then all I am saying is that the very few spots to me become even fewer.

That’s not a complaint, just an observation, a real observation as it relates to prospective applicants.
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Admissions is not "...hell bent on fielding" a certain amount of division 1 athletes. Admissions is hell bent on building the best possible class - nothing more, nothing less. No spots are eaten up, as you say, by athletes. There is no limiting of "already limited spots". The class composition is what it is. You have suggested that spots are further limited by athletes. I'd argue that the better way to think of it is that spots are budgeted, or planned, and Admissions does an incredible job each year to execute the plan.

No one loses a spot to an athlete. If someone doesn't get a spot, it is simply because they did not meet a standard, and there is nothing here on SAF or in Facebook parent groups, or anywhere else, that informs us of that that final standard actually is. The problem is that we all think we know the standard. All we know is what is published - 3Q, noms, community service, etc. That is not the standard. That is simply ticket to entry - the bare minimum to be invited to the conversation. The actual standard, applied to all who meet that bare minimum, is not shared or known by us and that is exactly how it should be.

Now, how does that apply to athletes? There is not a single recruited athlete who has earned an appointment that didn't meat the standard. There is not a single recruited athlete that has earned a commission who didn't meat the standard. If we don't know how something is done, it does not mean that it's not done well. In fact, it's usually the opposite. This is so much simpler than folks make it out to be.
 
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Class Portrait

Class Portrait page for Admissions at USNA.edu. Updated Sun Apr 21 04:34:10 EDT 2024.
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This C/O 2027 snapshot. I assume most years look the same!

Also - Service Academy D1 athletes are not allowed to do NIL deals.
 
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