Five options after NROTC

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I have done a lot of research and I have seen both sides to the question “can Navy officers become divers.” I don’t want to be a SEAL. Just a special op diver similar to the enlisted role if possible. Are their different types of diver roles? I read that EOD (bomb disposal) have divers. Is that true. It is hard to know what information is reliable especially with old sources.
 
Navy Divers operate anywhere from the shallow waters of coral reefs and harbors around the world to the freezing depths beneath icebergs, accomplishing specialized tasks below the surface, with no margin for error. Your job as a Navy Diving Officer could encompass many dive specialties, including:

  • Planning, supervising and directing the activities of enlisted Navy Divers, and assigning and coordinating the activities of all personnel under your command
  • Serving as a diving instructor at diving training centers
  • Performing wreckage salvage operations and underwater repairs
  • Conducting harbor and waterway clearance operations
  • Assisting in construction and demolition projects
  • Executing search and rescue missions
  • Performing deep submergence operations and saturation diving, which could involve living and working at extreme depths for days or weeks at a time
  • Supporting military and civilian law enforcement agencies
  • Serving as technical experts for diving evolutions for numerous military Special Operations units
  • Providing security, communications and other logistics during Expeditionary Warfare missions
  • Carrying out ship and submarine maintenance, including inspection and repair
click officer
 
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I have now caught up on your many questions, answers, rebuttals, change of mind, questioning decisions, etc regarding NROTC, AROTC, NOAA, spec ops/diver, active duty, reserves only, 20 years in the reserves and the recent request for explanation of why they call it Reserve Officers Training Corps. Everyone here tries to be helpful, and I have previously given you advice regarding color blindness which you never closed the loop on with this forum until today. This continual lack of focus is making me, and I suspect others on this forum, dizzy. You appear to get sidetracked very easily and the deadlines are coming up very soon. No one knows for sure if their decision will be the right one but you're going to have to trust your instinct and go ahead and make one soon and not look back. On a lesser note (because many others have the same issue on occasion) , you should take a moment or two to read your posts and correct for grammar and spelling before hitting the post reply tab. Good Luck!
 
Navy Divers operate anywhere from the shallow waters of coral reefs and harbors around the world to the freezing depths beneath icebergs, accomplishing specialized tasks below the surface, with no margin for error. Your job as a Navy Diving Officer could encompass many dive specialties, including:

  • Planning, supervising and directing the activities of enlisted Navy Divers, and assigning and coordinating the activities of all personnel under your command
  • Serving as a diving instructor at diving training centers
  • Performing wreckage salvage operations and underwater repairs
  • Conducting harbor and waterway clearance operations
  • Assisting in construction and demolition projects
  • Executing search and rescue missions
  • Performing deep submergence operations and saturation diving, which could involve living and working at extreme depths for days or weeks at a time
  • Supporting military and civilian law enforcement agencies
  • Serving as technical experts for diving evolutions for numerous military Special Operations units
  • Providing security, communications and other logistics during Expeditionary Warfare missions
  • Carrying out ship and submarine maintenance, including inspection and repair
click officer
I clicked officer and the same page was remained. It makes it seem as though enlisted and officer divers preform the same role. That must be wrong right? Is my phone just glitching and not switching when I hit “officer”
 
@Justin HELPmomStocksPosts
I have now caught up on your many questions, answers, rebuttals, change of mind, questioning decisions, etc regarding NROTC, AROTC, NOAA, spec ops/diver, active duty, reserves only, 20 years in the reserves and the recent request for explanation of why they call it Reserve Officers Training Corps. Everyone here tries to be helpful, and I have previously given you advice regarding color blindness which you never closed the loop on with this forum until today. This continual lack of focus is making me, and I suspect others on this forum, dizzy. You appear to get sidetracked very easily and the deadlines are coming up very soon. No one knows for sure if their decision will be the right one but you're going to have to trust your instinct and go ahead and make one soon and not look back. On a lesser note (because many others have the same issue on occasion) , you should take a moment or two to read your posts and correct for grammar and spelling before hitting the post reply tab. Good Luck!
What deadlines are you referring to? I have until May to accept NROTC. I am all set to go for college and NROTC. I’m trying to figure out if the navy is right for me.
 
You are researching officer communities way late in the game, throwing stuff at the wall to see if it will stick - that’s how it appears to readers trying to make sense of your posts and help you out. In hindsight, applicants should slog through this kind of research first, thinking through how they might like to spend 5-8 years on active duty, then reverse engineer to explore the commissioning paths that best suit.

First.
A Diving Officer is found in this community, which is Restricted Line (RL), more on that shortly. EDO here means Engineering Duty, not EOD, Explosive Ordnance Disposal.

Other officer communities have dive-qualified officers, such as SEAL, EDO.

Then there are enlisted Navy Divers, personnel who perform as divers in various warfare communities.

Second. Unrestricted Line (URL) officer communities are the main warfare communities, surface, aviation, submarine, SEAL, EOD, etc. Those officers can serve in or out of their communities, and can serve in command at sea as well as shore in an unrelated field. A naval aviator can command an operational squadron but also non-aviation units ashore. In that sense, they are unrestricted.

Restricted Line (RL) officers are line officers who specialize in their community area, may command in that area, and typically always work in their job field. These include EDO, IW (Cyber, Intel, Meteorological, etc.), HR, etc.

Staff Corps officers are the professional staffs of the Navy: Medical, Nurse, Dental, Medical Service, Civil Engineering (CEC), JAG, etc. As with RL, they work in their job field and may command in their field.

Each of these has various paths to commissioning or transferring to that community. USNA and NROTC mission is to produce Navy (and Marine Corps) URL officers for the Fleet and Corps. A small number out of USNA may go RL or Staff, especially if a pre-comm med DQ precludes them from going URL.

At a certain point in their career, usually after they have earned their community warfare qualification, officers may competitively apply to another community. A SWO officer might apply to go HR. A submarine officer might apply for the Navy Law Education Program and then move into JAG Corps. An aviator might apply for intel. There are some “deals,” out there, such as SWO-ED, where it’s guaranteed if you perform well and gain SWO qual, you’ll be sent to ED program - these deals change with the needs of the Navy. Or, while in college, an aspiring Navy officer might do their homework in what academics are required and apply for Navy OCS during senior year in college. Everyone going to OCS knows their path before coming in. OCS and its counterpart ODS, both in Newport, RI, handle most of the RL and Staff direct accessions.

There are also special college paths for NUPOC (no NROTC required, good $$) and CEC. I won’t even go into the Health Professional Scholarship programs or the joint military medical school at USUHS.

I’ll leave it to you to research Navy sites for the paths to various communities. The “MyNavyHR” site has career paths for each community and general info. Navy officer recruiting sites do too.
 
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You are researching officer communities way late in the game, throwing stuff at the wall to see if it will stick - that’s how it appears to readers trying to make sense of your posts and help you out. In hindsight, applicants should slog through this kind of research first, thinking through how they might like to spend 5-8 years on active duty, then reverse engineer to explore the commissioning paths that best suit.

First.
A Diving Officer is found in this community, which is Restricted Line (RL), more on that shortly. EDO here means Engineering Duty, not EOD, Explosive Ordnance Disposal.

Other officer communities have dive-qualified officers, such as SEAL, EDO.

Then there are enlisted Navy Divers, personnel who perform as divers in various warfare communities.

Second. Unrestricted Line (URL) officer communities are the main warfare communities, surface, aviation, submarine, SEAL, EOD, etc. Those officers can serve in or out of their communities, and can serve in command at sea as well as shore in an unrelated field. A naval aviator can command an operational squadron but also non-aviation units ashore. In that sense, they are restricted.

RL officers are line officers who specialize in their community area, may command in that area, and typically always work in their job field. These include EDO, IW (Cyber, Intel, Meteorological, etc.), HR, etc.

Staff Corps officers are the professional staffs of the Navy: Medical, Nurse, Dental, Medical Service, Civil Engineering (CEC), JAG, etc. As with RL, they work in their job field and may command in their field.

Each of these has various paths to commissioning or transferring to that community. USNA and NROTC mission is to produce Navy (and Marine Corps) URL officers for the Fleet and Corps. A small number out of USNA may go RL or Staff, especially if a pre-comm med DQ precludes them from going URL.

At a certain point in their career, usually after they have earned their community warfare qualification, officers may competitively apply to another community. A SWO officer might apply to go HR. A submarine officer might apply for the Navy Law Education Program and then move into JAG Corps. An aviator might apply for intel. There are some “deals,” out there, such as SWO-ED, where it’s guaranteed if you perform well and gain SWO qual, you’ll be sent to ED program - these deals change with the needs of the Navy. Or, while in college, an aspiring Navy officer might do their homework in what academics are required and apply for Navy OCS during senior year in college. Everyone going to OCS knows their path before coming in. OCS and its counterpart ODS, both in Newport, RI, handle most of the RL and Staff direct accessions.

There are also special college paths for NUPOC (no NROTC required, good $$) and CEC. I won’t even go into the Health Professional Scholarship programs or the joint military medical school at USUHS.

I’ll leave it to you to research Navy sites for the paths to various communities. The “MyNavyHR” site has career paths for each community and general info. Navy officer recruiting sites do too.
Thank you so much for the information. As you can probably tell I am the only person in my family going into the military. The closest thing I have to a military familiar member is my great, great Grandfather who was in WW1. Appreciate the assistance
 
Here is the Navy Recruiting site for Meteorological Officer at the navy.com platform. Work your way through the drop-down menus to figure out the path to get there.

There is a page like this for every Navy officer community.

 
My nephew is an enlisted Navy diver, my niece is a SWO and went to dive school after USNA.
For my niece it sounds as if being a diver is a secondary job and not something she does on a regular basis as an officer.
 
Having served back long ago in the dark ages in a recon spec ops type of unit

Officers did go on missions. Most of the time missions were lead by enlisted . Officers tended to serve more as management back in the rear giving “ advice” via the radio..


Why on earth would you need an expensively long time trained commissioned grad of nrotc or a SA to kick in doors? Well not actually doors in our case.

Or to do an underwater fix on a ship etc when an enlisted could do the job every bit as well if not better.

If you want a rate or job “similar to the enlisted” then your best bet is to see a Navy recruiter and see about enlisting,

We make snap judgments on posters based on what they say they really want and how serious they approach the issue. You do seem to be all over the place . And much of what you claim you want sounds a lot like civilian life.

Based on your posts and stated wants so far do I think you will make it thru the long tough grinding spec ops pipeline and end up leading a US Navy diving team?

One or two slightly tough answers in response here and you are already claiming to be reconsidering.
 
My nephew is an enlisted Navy diver, my niece is a SWO and went to dive school after USNA.
For my niece it sounds as if being a diver is a secondary job and not something she does on a regular basis as an officer.
Had many friends take this path. There are certain billets on subs and ships for dive qualified officers and enlisted. This is for rescue swimmers, ship maintenance and other things. SWO or sub officer first with a secondary responsibility for diving where needed. Everyone on a ship has multiple secondary responsibilities.

There are Officer Divers. It is competitive to get this billet. The schools are not easy by any means. A lot of PT and safety, safety, safety. Officer divers do a lot of the same diving as the enlisted on their teams, but will also have duties around leadership, mission prep and planning, safety monitoring, and a million other admin things an officer does.
 
I have done a lot of research and I have seen both sides to the question “can Navy officers become divers.” I don’t want to be a SEAL. Just a special op diver similar to the enlisted role if possible. Are their different types of diver roles? I read that EOD (bomb disposal) have divers. Is that true. It is hard to know what information is reliable especially with old sources.

Had many friends take this path. There are certain billets on subs and ships for dive qualified officers and enlisted. This is for rescue swimmers, ship maintenance and other things. SWO or sub officer first with a secondary responsibility for diving where needed. Everyone on a ship has multiple secondary responsibilities.

There are Officer Divers. It is competitive to get this billet. The schools are not easy by any means. A lot of PT and safety, safety, safety. Officer divers do a lot of the same diving as the enlisted on their teams, but will also have duties around leadership, mission prep and planning, safety monitoring, and a million other admin things an officer does.
Yeah. My niece is a beast. Tall and drop dead gorgeous, but a PT beast: I follow her on Strava and her idea of a morning jog is 10-15 miles.
 
Had many friends take this path. There are certain billets on subs and ships for dive qualified officers and enlisted. This is for rescue swimmers, ship maintenance and other things. SWO or sub officer first with a secondary responsibility for diving where needed. Everyone on a ship has multiple secondary responsibilities.

There are Officer Divers. It is competitive to get this billet. The schools are not easy by any means. A lot of PT and safety, safety, safety. Officer divers do a lot of the same diving as the enlisted on their teams, but will also have duties around leadership, mission prep and planning, safety monitoring, and a million other admin things an officer does.
Thanks for the info
 
Talking to my brother, @NavyHoops described it.
My nephew, an enlisted diver, does hard hat diving as a career. That’s what he does 24/7 around the world.
My niece, a SWO who earned a slot at dive school by busting her butt, does not dive much as an officer. It’s a skill identifier that a ship can use in a bind, but she is too busy doing SWO stuff to really dive.
Having worked in Special Ops I flew SEALS more than a few times. That’s a totally different track for officers and a different type of “diving”. Wet duck operations were fun for me as s pilot, but I wouldn’t want to do them as a diver. 10/10- 10’, 10 knots, cut the boat, then send the SEALS into the water. At night. Far from shore. Nope. Not doing the dive portion.
 
Talking to my brother, @NavyHoops described it.
My nephew, an enlisted diver, does hard hat diving as a career. That’s what he does 24/7 around the world.
My niece, a SWO who earned a slot at dive school by busting her butt, does not dive much as an officer. It’s a skill identifier that a ship can use in a bind, but she is too busy doing SWO stuff to really dive.
Having worked in Special Ops I flew SEALS more than a few times. That’s a totally different track for officers and a different type of “diving”. Wet duck operations were fun for me as s pilot, but I wouldn’t want to do them as a diver. 10/10- 10’, 10 knots, cut the boat, then send the SEALS into the water. At night. Far from shore. Nope. Not doing the dive portion.
Thanks for the information. I understand your niece doesn’t dive much but just out of curiosity, to become a SWO diver like her, do you still go through the same process as the enlisted divers? The way I see it, some diving is better than no and one dive a month would be something to look forward each month. I feel like everyday diving would lead to burnout anyway.

I definitely considered trying my physicality at buds in order to become a seal so I could dive often however with a 99% drop out rate or whatever it is, I’m not to sure about it.
 


A mature serious reasonable approach to picking a rate or mos ——-try your physicality to become a SEAL for the sole purpose of being able to dive more than once a month :)

The drop out rate for SEAL training is not 99% but closer to 80% .

The drop out rate for navy diver training is closer to 50%.

so a bit better chance to become a Navy diver than a Navy SEAL.
 


A mature serious reasonable approach to picking a rate or mos ——-try your physicality to become a SEAL for the sole purpose of being able to dive more than once a month :)

The drop out rate for SEAL training is not 99% but closer to 80% .

The drop out rate for navy diver training is closer to 50%.

so a bit better chance to become a Navy diver than a Navy SEAL.
But as I understand it dive training is a lot less on the mental side. I don’t think five school forces you to get hypothermia. Also dive school doesn’t sleep deprive you.

I’m confident in my ability to take on the sheer physicality of dive school especially because a big part of it is swimming and finning.
 
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