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docsteve

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Anyone who graduated from West Point: What % of graduating students graduate with GPA's above 3.5? Is it fairly common? I know the cadet score is different, but I am asking only about academic performance -- your best guess.
 
docsteve said:
Anyone who graduated from West Point: What % of graduating students graduate with GPA's above 3.5? Is it fairly common? I know the cadet score is different, but I am asking only about academic performance -- your best guess.
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anything over a 3.0 is great. Very hard as there is not grade inflation.
 
I believe there is actually grade deflation there. There are several top notch LACs that have grade deflation as well.

I had many very intelligent classmates that had less than a 3.0 (myself included :thumb:).
 
docsteve said:
Anyone who graduated from West Point: What % of graduating students graduate with GPA's above 3.5? Is it fairly common? I know the cadet score is different, but I am asking only about academic performance -- your best guess.
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It's been a while, but in my day a 3.5 got you in the top ~10% of the graduating class.

(GPA does include "non-academic" classes like physical education and military science)
 
DHinNH said:
It's been a while, but in my day a 3.5 got you in the top ~10% of the graduating class.

(GPA does include "non-academic" classes like physical education and military science)
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That sounds about right. My son graduates in May, at the end of fall semester he had 3.31 cumulative GPA and that put him in the top 15% of the class.
 
WAMom68 said:
That sounds about right. My son graduates in May, at the end of fall semester he had 3.31 cumulative GPA and that put him in the top 15% of the class.
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Congrats to him:thumb: That is definitely something to be proud of.
 
So watching the AF Army football game they just put up a stat that a guy currently had something like a 4.11 GPA at USMA. I know at USAFA we couldn't get over a 4.0 and very few people earned a 4.0 for a single semester.

What's the deal? Is it the media getting things wrong and posting his high school GPA or what.
 
User_Name said:
So watching the AF Army football game they just put up a stat that a guy currently had something like a 4.11 GPA at USMA. I know at USAFA we couldn't get over a 4.0 and very few people earned a 4.0 for a single semester.

What's the deal? Is it the media getting things wrong and posting his high school GPA or what.
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Probably should have read 3.11

Just gonna throw this out there: that no-touchdown review was bulls**t. Anyone with eyes including the announcers could see it.
 
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An A+ in a class will cause it to be weighted 4.33 in the average. More info in part I of West Point's Academic Program document online.
 
Hey, Scout P!

scoutpilot said:
Probably should have read 3.11

Just gonna throw this out there: that no-touchdown review was bullsh**t. Anyone with eyes including the announcers could see it.
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You're right, but the "refs" evened it up by taking one away from AF - don't whine!
 
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dadkone said:
You're right, but the "refs" evened it up by taking one away from AF - don't whine!
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Calling a legitimate penalty for holding does NOT equal calling a clear touchdown a non-touchdown.
 
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luv2swim said:
An A+ in a class will cause it to be weighted 4.33 in the average. More info in part I of West Point's Academic Program document online.
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Thanks for the reply with reference. The kid must be a stud playing on the football team and holding a GPA like that.

Assuming he takes 7 classes a semester he would need to get at least 2 A+ and the rest A's every semester since entering USMA.

I do have to say that nonsense about getting over a 4.0 in college is a joke and in my mind this a sneaky way for West Point to try and elevate their candidates for national scholarships (Rhodes, Marshall, Fullbright...) by artificially inflating GPA's.
 
User_Name said:
Thanks for the reply with reference. The kid must be a stud playing on the football team and holding a GPA like that.

Assuming he takes 7 classes a semester he would need to get at least 2 A+ and the rest A's every semester since entering USMA.

I do have to say that nonsense about getting over a 4.0 in college is a joke and in my mind this a sneaky way for West Point to try and elevate their candidates for national scholarships (Rhodes, Marshall, Fullbright...) by artificially inflating GPA's.
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I'm sure those dumb folks on the Rhodes committee could never see through weighted grades. Good call.
 
scoutpilot said:
I'm sure those dumb folks on the Rhodes committee could never see through weighted grades. Good call.
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Did I say the committee members were "dumb folks?" What is your "call" on why it's done?

I don't consider myself dumb and I was impressed w/ the 4.11 and honestly if you were to give me a transcript of a USMA cadet with a 4.11 or a USAFA/USNA cadet/mid with a 3.98 I would probably select the USMA cadet all else equal because of the A+. The USAFA and USNA students probably were the top person in some of their classes but I wouldn't have proof of that fact.

To be fair I probably should have said giving a 4.33 for an A+ is a way for any school to try and elevate their graduates when applying to most post graduate programs by artificially inflating their GPAs. I just think it's sneaky.
 
scoutpilot said:
Calling a legitimate penalty for holding does NOT equal calling a clear touchdown a non-touchdown.
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You're right as rain. In fact, Army played very well and I thought they might win during the first half. That referee's call now prompts me to cheer for Army to beat Navy -- that should help somewhat!?
 
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User_Name said:
Did I say the committee members were "dumb folks?" What is your "call" on why it's done?

I don't consider myself dumb and I was impressed w/ the 4.11 and honestly if you were to give me a transcript of a USMA cadet with a 4.11 or a USAFA/USNA cadet/mid with a 3.98 I would probably select the USMA cadet all else equal because of the A+. The USAFA and USNA students probably were the top person in some of their classes but I wouldn't have proof of that fact.

To be fair I probably should have said giving a 4.33 for an A+ is a way for any school to try and elevate their graduates when applying to most post graduate programs by artificially inflating their GPAs. I just think it's sneaky.
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You implied as much by saying it's a way to get their candidates selected for scholarships...the implication being that the Rhodes folks and others would be hoodwinked by the high GPA and not take note of the system behind it. A system that is open knowledge and made clear by USMA.

I don't know why it's done. I wasn't in the business of earning A+'s. I'm certain the Dean could tell you why, at length. I cannot.

If the elevated GPA trick works on those scholarship committees, perhaps USAFA should try it. It might help their numbers.
 
scoutpilot said:
You implied as much by saying it's a way to get their candidates selected for scholarships...the implication being that the Rhodes folks and others would be hoodwinked by the high GPA and not take note of the system behind it. A system that is open knowledge and made clear by USMA.

I don't know why it's done. I wasn't in the business of earning A+'s. I'm certain the Dean could tell you why, at length. I cannot.

If the elevated GPA trick works on those scholarship committees, perhaps USAFA should try it. It might help their numbers.
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I agree with your last statements...even if said in jest.
 
Going back to my algebra years... 4.11/4.33=x/4.0

Cross multiply and divide

Tah Dah!
 
billyb said:
I believe there is actually grade deflation there. There are several top notch LACs that have grade deflation as well.
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I'd have to go back and read the red book and other reg's, but I believe for class rank & final GPA that statistical curve is applied?

I know it is for the military grade as it applies to class rank calculation, and I believe it is also for the academic contribution to the class rank.

From what I could tell it virtually never pulls up, usually has the opposite effect.
 
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