How do the plebes pay for cost of books etc.

'02 hit the nail on the head. People, you do not need to be calling the Business Office to understand your mid's pay, held pay, etc. Within each company is a framework for the mids to utilize to get it all figured out. Your children are adults now, adults who are training to be officers in the United States Navy or Marine Corps. They are learning to depend upon and help each other. They do not need to be calling the folks for an explanation of their pay.

Sending a child to USNA is entirely different than sending one to State U. I have a second year vet student son and a youngster at USNA. I can tell you I was much more involved in older son's college years than my mid's. The kids at USNA are on a fast track to adulthood compared to those at State U. Which is all part of the grand scheme of training them as officers!

While I do understand it might be nice to know how it all works, you can know this for certain: it will change, no matter what "it" you are talking about. My mid mentioned that he has been told several different things about held pay and his scholarships (he went in with $9000)......he got some held pay earlier this month. I did remind him earlier in the year to watch his pay statement for two scholarships which were sent to USNA at the conclusion of his first semester. Your mid, like mine, receives lots of emails that instruct him or her on what they need to know. They do not have the time to share all this with dear old mom and dad. It is important, very important, to let them figure it all out. They have the resources to do so.

While I am on this soapbox, let me also mention travel. I see parents on here all the time wanting to plan mid's transportation to airport, even plan where mid is going to stay when they are off on summer training cruises. Let them handle it on their own. Again, they have the resources. USNA expects them to fly to say, San Diego, for a summer training cruise and figure out how to get to the base, where to report, etc. Mom does not need to make hotel reservations, etc. Defeats the purpose. I would advise making their plane reservations for Thanksgiving and /or Christmas when they tell you when they are able to return home. They are awfully busy during ac year and that can be helpful for mom or dad to do.

As far as BWI, my mid has flown in there maybe 6 times returning to Annapolis. Each and every time, he planned on super shuttle, but each and every time someone offered a ride to Annapolis. They travel in uniform, so at BWI, there have been other mids, sponsor parents, Annapolis residents, alumni, etc. always offering rides. Your child is now a member of a "club" where the members look out for one another!

So, instead of worrying about who's paying for their haircuts, where their scholarship monies have gone and how they are going to get to the airport, put your energies into writing them letters, sending photos, care packages and following Navy football this fall! Heck, plan a trip and go see a game in Annapolis, it is spectacular!

But, don't count on spending time with your plebe. Consider it a bonus if you get to do so. Even if he/she thinks they are free of watch or other duties the weekend you are coming, all that can change in the blink of an eye. And it won't matter one whit that mom and dad are in town. Semper gumby. Always flexible. You will have some pleasant surprises.......hubby and I flew in on a Friday, hoped to see plebe Friday evening on yard, he said "No way." So we are in DTA, just being served a beautiful meal when he calls "Meet me and my buddies in Dry Dock....they let us out for a couple hours....let's get pizza!" Hubby races to rental car to get our ID's, I eat a lobster in two bites and we jog to the yard. Had a fantastic evening listening to three plebes talk non stop about life at USNA. Same weekend, Navy beat Air Force and they were granted an overnight, their first. So he spent the night with us in our hotel room which had one bed. (Get two beds if you go for football, so you are prepared!) Our next visit was for Army/Navy game. Of course we had tickets way in advance. He drew watch and had to return to the yard on the first bus out of Philly. We did get a breakfast Sunday morning with him before we had to head to BWI. So, you never know.

It is a fantastic, wonderful, roller coaster ride of an educational experience. Inspiring and frightening all at the same time.
 
JennyP is right. It is not just plebes that may have watch or duty for a weekend. Our son is scheduled to be on duty for 2/C parents weekend. We are driving 3000 miles to be there and he may not be able to leave the yard. We hoping for a change in his schedule, but if it doesn't happen we will be glad to visit with him on the yard. Navy needs will always come first.
We did get lucky for plebe Army/Navy game. He got weekend in Phillie and stayed with us. It all works out somehow.
 
I don't understand the cause for concern about Plebe parents helping their kids understand finances. Yes, our mids are there to train to be officers. Good officers seek advice from people they trust, even if it's their parents. Even senior officers seek out wise counsel. What's the concern?

When our mid was a Plebe, the Business office had a display out to inform parents. They clearly feel parents have some kind of role. Not every mid goes in with several thousand dollars in scholarships or even several thousand in their banking account. Parents finances and mid finances are still intertwined at that point and I can envision many scenarios where understanding mid pay impacts family finances back home. Some mids may even have to help pay for their travel home due to family finances. It's great when free rides to the airport work out. A lot of times they don't. Last year many free rides got snowed in and couldn't get to USNA to get the kids to the airport, nor were the shuttles running. Some taxi drivers took advantage of mids desperate to leave. Having money in their accounts helps when free falls through. That's also part of being semper gumby.

I agree that we treat our kids differently who are in civialian colleges. My NROTC kid called with a major financial problem. (couldn't register for class without an additional $20,000 since the school-all but openly hostile to ROTC-confused his outside awards). I gave him two suggestions for people to talk to and he resolved it on his own within a few hours. He's in the midst of orientation at his college where a ton is going on each day but hardly anything is madatory. He had the ability to take the time to solve it. My USNA mid didin't even have the word "optional" in her vocabulary her Plebe year. Suggesting a Plebe go to the Business Office in their spare time is much easier said than done. Maybe the Plebe is carrying an extra heavy courseload, maybe they're busy being PCC, maybe they're a varsity athlete in a Fall sport, etc.

I know the bottom line is that we all want our mids to graduate as confident young officers able to take on what will be expected of them. USNA will take care of that no matter what we do as parents. I was never a mid but I married a young USNA grad when I was barely out of my teens. We had a lot to concern ourselves with in those early years. Wondering if we were independent enough from our parents wasn't one of them.
 
It is the parents question or the Mid asking you the questions about their pay? It is a BIG difference. If you as a parent want to know how it works - ask your MID, do not call the business office etc. Your Mid should know the answer and if they do not they will know how to get the answer for you IF they want you to know - some Mids do not want mom and dad involved when it comes the their money and how they are handling it, and some will share openly.

Now if your mid is asking you for assistance, then maybe seeing their LES will be a help for you to talk them through what each type of deduction is after all we all have been seeing pay statements for a much longer time than the Mids.

Chances are however, your mid will not need to have you help as they are issued a Midshipman Stipend and Annual Budget book at the beginning of the AC year with really everything they will need to know and understand. It is a COMDTMIDINST document issued to Plebes (at least it was for the Class of 2010 and 2011) Within this booklet it contains information on reading the LES - Income, Fixed deductions, Fixed Activity Fees, and Variable deductions. There is a chart explaining Womens and Mens issues, What months during PS and Plebe AC those issues are charged against their issue account (ACE Loan). There is also a second set of Issues that occur in Winter of 2/C year - Brooksbrother's SBD's and Dinner Dress Whites. The book has 4 charts with projections of budgets for each year.

Also, as a part of Plebe professional training, many companies will require the Plebes to produce a budget and learn how to use Quicken. You will be surprised on how budget and money savvy many are by the time they take their second class loan.

And for those who have Mids that are set on going Marine Corps, they need to make sure when they are budgeting that they understand that their will be a major outlay of cash for all new uniforms during Spring Semester of Firstie year, obviously they should have money from the second class loan but some have that money tied up in investments or other wants and do not want to use it for Uniforms. And for parents the Marine Corps Sword cost about double the cost of the Navy Sword!
 
The independence has begun... When we left from PPW, DS was worried about how to get his printer, set everything up, where to keep his guitar, how to get to the dentist (they found a cavity during PS:thumbdown:)...and, he was counting the days until Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring Break... Friday on the phone he told me that he made Glee Club and is looking forward to traveling with them over Spring Break. He wasn't at all concerned about not coming home that week. As a mom, well I'll miss him, but I couldn't be happier that he is already beginning to feel at home. I know we'll still have days when he is tired, stressed, fed up, but these positive moments make it tolerable for all of us! (Oh, he also got his printer and all his school materials, set up the dentist appointment and found out where to keep his guitar, of course. :thumb:)
 
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