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flying2024

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Since we are talking about waivers lately, it got me thinking about I Day. If you are lucky enough to get a waiver, is there a chance that they will change their mind on I Day and you are sent home? I understand if something happens between appointment and I-Day, then that is a different story. I am talking about allergies, asthma, vision issues that have not changed or conditions that will not change. If you have a waiver, they can't change their mind on I-Day and send you home - correct?
 
flying2024 said:
Since we are talking about waivers lately, it got me thinking about I Day. If you are lucky enough to get a waiver, is there a chance that they will change their mind on I Day and you are sent home? I understand if something happens between appointment and I-Day, then that is a different story. I am talking about allergies, asthma, vision issues that have not changed or conditions that will not change. If you have a waiver, they can't change their mind on I-Day and send you home - correct?
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Generally, no. In the circumstance where one has suffered a recent injury with a destabilized joint, etc., there is the possibility that one would be looked at pretty closely, and one could be sent home. Every year, a few show up on I Day or R Day (at WP) and medical knocks them out. But, usually, this is with a new injury, or it is with an injury that you know will be scrutinized upon arrival. So, things like allergies, asthma, vision that have been waivered are not an issue.
 
In my mind - the offer of appointment and acceptance is a meeting of the minds. You would have to read the offer of appointment terms.

Why give a waiver and take it back, absent new information?

I wouldn’t waste time on thinking of everything that could go wrong. I have never seen it an issue in here.

Lol my son accepted his offer for USNA immediately. Joked with me that he did it before they could change their minds.
 
There was one case of that for the class of 27. Midway through BCT it was discovered the waiver was given in error. But very, very, very rare. In this case something was waived that wasn't waiverable, the way I understand it. 99.9 percent the waivers are routine.
 
dddad said:
Generally, no. In the circumstance where one has suffered a recent injury with a destabilized joint, etc., there is the possibility that one would be looked at pretty closely, and one could be sent home. Every year, a few show up on I Day or R Day (at WP) and medical knocks them out. But, usually, this is with a new injury, or it is with an injury that you know will be scrutinized upon arrival. So, things like allergies, asthma, vision that have been waivered are not an issue.
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To add on to this, it is not a surprise to the candidate. Every year, those with "iffy" medical issues are told to report early on I-Day for a medical evaluation. They know that they are in this category well in advance (unless the injury is very recent). If deemed okay, they continue on. If not, they are sent home.
 
99Gold said:
To add on to this, it is not a surprise to the candidate. Every year, those with "iffy" medical issues are told to report early on I-Day for a medical evaluation. They know that they are in this category well in advance (unless the injury is very recent). If deemed okay, they continue on. If not, they are sent home.
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I am not sure what "iffy" means in relation to medical issues, so I want to clarify. I am talking about fully disclosed, maybe more complicated medical issues that are initially denied and are subsequently waivered after further information is submitted and reviewed. I would think no matter how complicated the medical condition, if nothing changes your waiver should stand unless something additional comes up before I Day.
 
flying2024 said:
I am not sure what "iffy" means in relation to medical issues, so I want to clarify. I am talking about fully disclosed, maybe more complicated medical issues that are initially denied and are subsequently waivered after further information is submitted and reviewed. I would think no matter how complicated the medical condition, if nothing changes your waiver should stand unless something additional comes up before I Day.
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"Iffy" would be what @dddad said. A recent injury or a surgery (like ACL/shoulder dislocation) where they want to see the candidate in person and evaluate whether or not they can complete BCT to their satisfaction before making a final decision. This would not be for things like allergies, asthma, or vision issues. The waiver authority would already have made a definitive decision on those type of medical issues.

Medical issues can also arise or worsen during a cadet's career that prevents them from commissioning and cause the cadet to be disenrolled.
 
This happened in this year's 2027 class. A young woman got a waiver for Celiac disease that the AF claimed was done in error. She was literally at Jacks Valley and they sent her home.
 
That is terrible - so sad for that person. I guess in that case it is better to have a complicated case that takes communication back and forth multiple times so at least you know they are looking at it and it doesn't get missed or done in error. No way they can say (or at least hope) it was done in error if you had to go through a ton of tests and communication to get there.
 
T-37IP said:
There was one case of that for the class of 27. Midway through BCT it was discovered the waiver was given in error. But very, very, very rare. In this case something was waived that wasn't waiverable, the way I understand it. 99.9 percent the waivers are routine.
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Do you have 1st hand knowledge of this?
Thanks.
 
My daughter was given a "conditional waiver" for a torn ACL reconstruction within 12 months of applying to USAFA. The waiver clearly stated that she had to pass medical evaluation on I-Day in order to meet the conditions. She was assigned the early in-processing time (7:30am). The evaluation was fairly routine---from what I recall her telling us, they looked at the flexion/extension of her knee, checked for swelling and had her perform some squats/jumps. Her assigned squadron was the last group to in-process later that afternoon-so other than making I-Day a bit longer, it was not that much of an issue for her. Now for my husband and I...it was the only time since dropping her off that we haven't wanted to pick up the phone and hear her voice on the other end!
 
It was discussed on the Class of 2027 parents FB page. Apparently Celiac is a non starter due to the inability to support a specialized diet during potential deployment. My DS is in the class although he didn't know her.
 
99Gold said:
To add on to this, it is not a surprise to the candidate. Every year, those with "iffy" medical issues are told to report early on I-Day for a medical evaluation. They know that they are in this category well in advance (unless the injury is very recent). If deemed okay, they continue on. If not, they are sent home.
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Every year on Day 1, probably five or six incoming students at any given academy "fail" their physical for some reason and they are sent home without full in processing. Have no idea why this happens or what causes it, but it happens every year along with the Day 1-3 "Drops" who decide immediately the Academy is not for them. It is why usually the accepted incoming class size is larger than what graduates, medical or mental preparedness.
 
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