Interactions among cadets/social

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Hi, I’m trying to get an idea of the social vibe at USMA (since I can’t visit)... Does everybody know each other? Are social circles separated by class or squadrons or etc.? Are big social circles or more smaller social circles common? Is it more of a competitive vibe or supportive? Are big study groups common?
 
It’s too big of a place for you to know everyone although you’ll generally over time recognize the majority of your classmates at least. Social groups typically form from companies (not squadrons at West Point), clubs, or teams because close proximity/shared interests but there’s a lot of crossover as you’ll meet people from all kinds of different shared experiences (classes, summer training, etc).

Nothing that I’ve seen since I’ve graduated has seemed to change the culture of the Corps generally being a supportive body. The motto is cooperate and graduate. There’s tension sometimes between Corps squad (D1 athletes) and the rest of the Corps but individuals definitely can easily breach that and do by realizing everyone had different time commitments and obligations.

Study groups were easy to find. Your company will have an academic officer and NCO, two cadets responsible for helping monitor the company’s grades for the TAC officer. They can be a good resource for helping link up with tutors if needed, and pretty much every single engineering class I ever was in, because my company had a good vibe, we worked on problem sets together to knock out homework. Don’t be a jerk and it’ll be easy to find help if you need it

As for the rest of the social vibe, well it’s a military academy... It’s going to be a much different experience in terms of freedom and privileges to go explore outside the cadet area at any given time. The bar scene is pretty light if that’s what you’re looking for
 
It’s too big of a place for you to know everyone although you’ll generally over time recognize the majority of your classmates at least. Social groups typically form from companies (not squadrons at West Point), clubs, or teams because close proximity/shared interests but there’s a lot of crossover as you’ll meet people from all kinds of different shared experiences (classes, summer training, etc).

Nothing that I’ve seen since I’ve graduated has seemed to change the culture of the Corps generally being a supportive body. The motto is cooperate and graduate. There’s tension sometimes between Corps squad (D1 athletes) and the rest of the Corps but individuals definitely can easily breach that and do by realizing everyone had different time commitments and obligations.

Study groups were easy to find. Your company will have an academic officer and NCO, two cadets responsible for helping monitor the company’s grades for the TAC officer. They can be a good resource for helping link up with tutors if needed, and pretty much every single engineering class I ever was in, because my company had a good vibe, we worked on problem sets together to knock out homework. Don’t be a jerk and it’ll be easy to find help if you need it

As for the rest of the social vibe, well it’s a military academy... It’s going to be a much different experience in terms of freedom and privileges to go explore outside the cadet area at any given time. The bar scene is pretty light if that’s what you’re looking for
Amazing answer!! Thank you.
 
It’s too big of a place for you to know everyone although you’ll generally over time recognize the majority of your classmates at least. Social groups typically form from companies (not squadrons at West Point), clubs, or teams because close proximity/shared interests but there’s a lot of crossover as you’ll meet people from all kinds of different shared experiences (classes, summer training, etc).

Nothing that I’ve seen since I’ve graduated has seemed to change the culture of the Corps generally being a supportive body. The motto is cooperate and graduate. There’s tension sometimes between Corps squad (D1 athletes) and the rest of the Corps but individuals definitely can easily breach that and do by realizing everyone had different time commitments and obligations.

Study groups were easy to find. Your company will have an academic officer and NCO, two cadets responsible for helping monitor the company’s grades for the TAC officer. They can be a good resource for helping link up with tutors if needed, and pretty much every single engineering class I ever was in, because my company had a good vibe, we worked on problem sets together to knock out homework. Don’t be a jerk and it’ll be easy to find help if you need it

As for the rest of the social vibe, well it’s a military academy... It’s going to be a much different experience in terms of freedom and privileges to go explore outside the cadet area at any given time. The bar scene is pretty light if that’s what you’re looking for
Why the tension between the athletes and the rest of the Corps? I’ve been recruited and given a LOA and would like to have some insight. Thank you!
 
Hi, I’m trying to get an idea of the social vibe at USMA (since I can’t visit)... Does everybody know each other? Are social circles separated by class or squadrons or etc.? Are big social circles or more smaller social circles common? Is it more of a competitive vibe or supportive? Are big study groups common?
You know the people in your company and some others you might know from classes. If you do corps/club squad you will get to know even more people who are not in your company.
 
Why the tension between the athletes and the rest of the Corps? I’ve been recruited and given a LOA and would like to have some insight. Thank you!

Corps squad (and competitive club) athletes will get certain “authos” that excuse them from things “slugs” (cadets who participate in intramurals) have to do based on their practice/competition schedule. A lot of those things can be the suckier side of being a cadet like drilling/parading, participating in certain plebe duties, or how their classes are arranged (ie never having last period). That can cause tension when slugs think their peers are shamming, or abusing, these privileges beyond what they’re meant to account for, because there are definitely cadets who hide behind their authos to avoid doing said things, because yea, they usually aren’t fun. No one wants to sort upperclass laundry or take out someone else’s trash, but everyone who is an upperclass has done it before you. It’s part of the system so participate; otherwise how can you expect someone else to do it for three years for you if you never did it yourself? I’m speaking generically here, not assuming you in particular would do this. I was an athlete back at school that I think had a pretty good relationship with my company mates but I also know cadets who I found hiding in their room when it came to stuff like this when I was a cadet platoon sergeant having to round folks up for various details. It gets old, very quick. You will very quickly build your reputation at school, and it will carry with you after plebe year and even after graduation, of whether or not you can be counted to be a team player.

Also it sounds trivial, but there are other perks that might not jump out but can make a big difference as well. Corps squad uniform items, in particular the sweats, are way more comfy than any kind of cadet uniform. I still have a set of my sweats, and I absolutely love them. When you are restricted to uniform items only, it can make a big morale difference to have clothes that feel normal, particularly as a plebe or yearling. Also, as a plebe, no one can tell rank if you’re wearing sweats which can be a huge plus when you’re outside your company AO because who can tell if you’re supposed to not be talking or cupping your hands and greeting outside? But there will also typically be pretty explicit rules about when/where/how you can wear these sweats. When you start pushing those boundaries, it can cause your peers who are stuck in gym alpha in their downtime to think you feel better than them out of jealousy. Don’t stand out from the crowd where you can.

All this said, there is a very good reason Corps squaders get the authos they do. Being a D1 athlete at the Academy is a crazy busy schedule. Time management is just as important for athletes as anyone else, but I will always push back on the concept that an athlete’s life is harder than a slug’s. Everyone has their time taken away from them at the Academy, just in different ways. The few times I had to drill, I wished I was back running suicides on the court at practice, because it is honestly one of the most horrible, time draining experiences I’ve had to waste my time with. Yet slugs have to do it every other day throughout the football season and it takes up their weekends when their regiment has to parade before a football game.

Be empathetic to your slug classmates when they might think you are getting off “easy” with authos that neither of you really understand the time commitments the other is having to put into graduate. They may or may not be putting in the same time at the gym or on the court, but their time is being taken away differently. Your classmates will be able to tell if you’re putting a good effort to participate in company events as a plebe and after or if you only ever hang out with your team and sham away from helping out when you can. It’s very easy to tell who are the shammers and who aren’t. The slugs will give you grace for not being their all, or even most of the time, if they think you’re trying, and you won’t have to be bitter about the busyness in your schedule if you realize theirs is too.
 
Awesome explanation from @Casey. I wonder how much resentment varies by sport. DD is at USNA and for a while, had two D1 athletes as roommates. Didn’t seem to be much resentment among fellow mids. But her roomies were in “secondary” sports — albeit both stars on their respective teams — so maybe that took some of the edge off. (DD was a club-sport athlete herself, so there were some weekends when all three of them were on road trips. They sometimes had to cover for each other — for example, alpha inspections — but they seemed to handle things just fine.)
 
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@MidCakePa, for different sports, i think it does ultimately comes down to the individual and how they treat their classmates regardless of the team. There were definitely teams with better reputations than others as a whole based on the team culture but even individuals on the teams who might have the worse reputations can still bridge the divide. Just depends on how what efforts get made by the individuals involved. I’d like to think that most people get judged on their own merit even with the stereotypes out there on both sides.

I’d also comment, for what it’s worth, that the tension between athletes and slugs at USMA was not the same as the IM wall some of my friends experienced at USAFA while on exchange which was actually one of the turn offs for me to go play the sport I was recruited for there during my official visit. It’s a factor in the social life at West Point, but by no means is it a show stopper. It’s just something to be aware of and to not be “that guy” if a cadet has the chance to also play a high level sport during their academy experience.
 
It’s too big of a place for you to know everyone although you’ll generally over time recognize the majority of your classmates at least. Social groups typically form from companies (not squadrons at West Point), clubs, or teams because close proximity/shared interests but there’s a lot of crossover as you’ll meet people from all kinds of different shared experiences (classes, summer training, etc).

Nothing that I’ve seen since I’ve graduated has seemed to change the culture of the Corps generally being a supportive body. The motto is cooperate and graduate. There’s tension sometimes between Corps squad (D1 athletes) and the rest of the Corps but individuals definitely can easily breach that and do by realizing everyone had different time commitments and obligations.

Study groups were easy to find. Your company will have an academic officer and NCO, two cadets responsible for helping monitor the company’s grades for the TAC officer. They can be a good resource for helping link up with tutors if needed, and pretty much every single engineering class I ever was in, because my company had a good vibe, we worked on problem sets together to knock out homework. Don’t be a jerk and it’ll be easy to find help if you need it

As for the rest of the social vibe, well it’s a military academy... It’s going to be a much different experience in terms of freedom and privileges to go explore outside the cadet area at any given time. The bar scene is pretty light if that’s what you’re looking for
Hope to go to USMA with my best friend (since elementary school). Would we be able to spend a lot of time together? How would this look if we are in different companies? Like could we just hang out on weekends and study together?
 
Hope to go to USMA with my best friend (since elementary school). Would we be able to spend a lot of time together? How would this look if we are in different companies? Like could we just hang out on weekends and study together?
Yea, you aren’t locked into your company area (minus evening study period as a plebe/yuk, dependent on your company’s academic policy and your grades). You’ll have the time and ability to hang out with people outside your company. None of my teammates were in my company, but those were the people I spent the most time with.
 
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