Judge upholds use of race in Naval Academy admissions, saying a diverse military is stronger

Regarding these “elite preparatory schools” I see a chicken or the egg question. Do those students have such high stats because their school was so great? Or was their school considered so great because it only admitted the highest performing students? It seems that when students succeed, the schools want the credit, and when students don’t do so hot, we are to believe that it’s only because the school didn’t have enough money for iPads or other gizmos. (Even though over the last few decades spending on education has SKYROCKETED without an apparent commensurate increase in academic performance).

If money could buy high SAT scores and GPAs, why were super wealthy celebrities caught committing fraud to get their kids admitted to colleges by fudging stats and extracurriculars a few years back?
 
Kierkegaard said:
Regarding these “elite preparatory schools” I see a chicken or the egg question. Do those students have such high stats because their school was so great? Or was their school considered so great because it only admitted the highest performing students? It seems that when students succeed, the schools want the credit, and when students don’t do so hot, we are to believe that it’s only because the school didn’t have enough money for iPads or other gizmos. (Even though over the last few decades spending on education has SKYROCKETED without an apparent commensurate increase in academic performance).

If money could buy high SAT scores and GPAs, why were super wealthy celebrities caught committing fraud to get their kids admitted to colleges by fudging stats and extracurriculars a few years back?
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The varsity blues scandal was a little different…. They were paying a middleman (coach) to get them into the school for less money than if they had made a big donation to the school. Cutting corners trying to save money, but in an illegal way. Like maybe they were paying the coach $500,000 for a seat, but it would’ve cost them $5,000,000 in an official donation to the school for going through the proper channels.
 
Kierkegaard said:
If money could buy high SAT scores and GPAs, why were super wealthy celebrities caught committing fraud to get their kids admitted to colleges by fudging stats and extracurriculars a few years back?
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You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

You can give a rich kid all the resources in the world to set them up for success, but you can’t force them to use them. You can’t force someone to learn if they don’t want to no matter how good( and expensive!) their tutors are.
 
GO NAVY 2029 said:
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

You can give a rich kid all the resources in the world to set them up for success, but you can’t force them to use them. You can’t force someone to learn if they don’t want to no matter how good( and expensive!) their tutors are.
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So what you’re saying is…it still comes down to the applicant’s chops and discipline, not to Mom and Dad’s money.
 
SamAca10 said:
At my time at the Academy, I've seen black and hispanic students outperform white students
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I don’t think anyone here would argue that black and hispanic students can’t succeed at academies, or even sometimes perform better than their white peers. Due to the very high correlation between application stats and eventual academic performance, I’m inclined to believe that those outperforming mids/cadets would still be admitted without race-based admission criteria.
 
A1Janitor said:
I know my son thinks his aerospace engineering major was the hardest.
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I had a number of company classmates who majored in Aero. The guy who was the three star PEO for F35 was not one of them. My former roommate who recently finished his career as President of a Rocket division of a major aerospace corporation ie: an actual Rocket Scientist actually majored in Latin America Area Studies (Spanish) at USNA.
FWIW, My son who majored in Aero at USNA while a Varsity Athlete did not seem to think that his major was that difficult.
 
OldRetSWO said:
I had a number of company classmates who majored in Aero. The guy who was the three star PEO for F35 was not one of them. My former roommate who recently finished his career as President of a Rocket division of a major aerospace corporation ie: an actual Rocket Scientist actually majored in Latin America Area Studies (Spanish) at USNA.
FWIW, My son who majored in Aero at USNA while a Varsity Athlete did not seem to think that his major was that difficult.
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Agreed.

My son was a chemistry major for his first year and switched to aero before his second.

He didn’t find any courses that he took at USNA to be challenging.

It’s more trash talking and defending his major.
 
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