Just accepted plan B school - what to do to avoid their wrath?

That is completely false.

It is considered unethical, a problem, and frowned upon by almost all colleges and high schools in the college admissions process. All Service Academies are members of the National Association of College Counselors (NACC), whose code of ethics specifically states that keeping more than one accepted offer of admission after May 1 is unethical.

Anyone keeping a Plan B school without the consent of the Plan B school should understand the risks before proceeding.

Most SA appointees do not keep a Plan B school. Of those who do, most get away with it with no consequence or with congratulations from the Plan B. Some have experienced adverse consequences from the Plan B school, from high school counselor, and in at least one case been chased for lost tuition and had their credit affected.
A couple of things. First, I believe that "code of ethics" was changed in/around 2019 after the DOJ started looking into antitrust issues concerning colleges colluding to prevent competition for students. Second, nothing about any such "code of ethics" is binding on non-members of NACC, which is pretty much everybody other than college counselors who belong to the organization.

I have no reason to doubt anything else you wrote, but I'm not a fan of gratuitous officiousness. There are plenty of good, legitimate reasons for future students to protect themselves in the event of the slings and arrows of misfortune, changes in circumstance, etc. One might even argue that it's foolish not to.
 
you owe the college nothing and that is how much the college will do for you when they need to do something that benefits them. As others have said, tell the school you are taking a gap year because of a medical issue (which is true) and then decide where to go next year.
 
A couple of things. First, I believe that "code of ethics" was changed in/around 2019 after the DOJ started looking into antitrust issues concerning colleges colluding to prevent competition for students. Second, nothing about any such "code of ethics" is binding on non-members of NACC, which is pretty much everybody other than college counselors who belong to the organization.

I have no reason to doubt anything else you wrote, but I'm not a fan of gratuitous officiousness. There are plenty of good, legitimate reasons for future students to protect themselves in the event of the slings and arrows of misfortune, changes in circumstance, etc. One might even argue that it's foolish not to.
No gratuitous officiousness here - just trying to keep unknowing readers from following bad advice. I personally know two families who followed similar advice posted on this forum and suffered adverse consequences.

The ethical standard did not change. The adherence portion was changed in 2020 from mandatory adoption to best practices, which gives members the option rather than the requirement to report violations.

The NACAC is not limited to college counselors. It's institutional membership includes virtually every high school and college in the USA, including every service academy. Most college admissions officers and high school college counselors are individual members.

I have no fondness for the leverage colleges use against applicants and have no problem with keeping a Plan B. I merely want appointees to understand the potential risk, choose a course of action wisely, and not unwittingly get caught because someone on an internet forum told them it was ok.
 
No gratuitous officiousness here - just trying to keep unknowing readers from following bad advice. I personally know two families who followed similar advice posted on this forum and suffered adverse consequences.

The ethical standard did not change. The adherence portion was changed in 2020 from mandatory adoption to best practices, which gives members the option rather than the requirement to report violations.

The NACAC is not limited to college counselors. It's institutional membership includes virtually every high school and college in the USA, including every service academy. Most college admissions officers and high school college counselors are individual members.

I have no fondness for the leverage colleges use against applicants and have no problem with keeping a Plan B. I merely want appointees to understand the potential risk, choose a course of action wisely, and not unwittingly get caught because someone on an internet forum told them it was ok.
How bad are the risks though? I am perfectly fine with losing my deposit. I accepted that risk when I made the deposit. Genuine risks along the lines of being forever chase down for 300k I shouldn’t owe or getting blacklisted by college B and USAFA admissions are not really acceptable to me
 
If you used the common app for your plan b School this is what you agreed to:

I affirm that I will send an enrollment deposit (or equivalent) to only one institution; sending multiple deposits (or equivalent) may result in the withdrawal of my admission offers from all institutions. [Note: students may send an enrollment deposit (or equivalent) to a second institution where they have been admitted from the waitlist, provided that they inform the first institution that they will no longer be enrolling.]
 
If you used the common app for your plan b School this is what you agreed to:

I affirm that I will send an enrollment deposit (or equivalent) to only one institution; sending multiple deposits (or equivalent) may result in the withdrawal of my admission offers from all institutions. [Note: students may send an enrollment deposit (or equivalent) to a second institution where they have been admitted from the waitlist, provided that they inform the first institution that they will no longer be enrolling.]
I don’t know what “or equivalent” means but I assume it doesn’t apply to accepting a conditional offer without deposit?
 
I don’t know what “or equivalent” means but I assume it doesn’t apply to accepting a conditional offer without deposit?
"Or equivalent" actually does mean accepting an offer without deposit. It is any action showing commitment to enroll such as formally accepting an offer, completing required paperwork, registering for dorm room, etc. It is added because the deposit is waived for some students due to financial circumstances and thus "deposit" does not completely cover commitment to enroll.

Risks are uncertain. There is no known case of an appointment being withdrawn for violating this rule and no SA has formally issued a policy, but a USNA BGO did post on this forum a couple years ago that USNA would rescind an appointment if informed of such a violation. The three types of adverse actions that I am aware of occurring are:
  1. High school college counselor called family of appointee informing them he received a letter from Plan B (large, prestigious public university) listing all of that high school's students who committed to attend Plan B and was surprised to see appointee's name on the list. After much groveling from family, counselor agreed not to report violation to Plan B and SA, but appointee must withdraw acceptance from Plan B immediately.
  2. Appointee parent calls Plan B at the end of summer training and informs them that appointee has successfully completed summer training and will be attending SA. Plan B admissions officer is furious and threatens to report student to SA, but apparently never does. Family holds breath waiting for hammer to drop, which fortunately never does. Note - most of the time Plan B takes the high road and congratulates family.
  3. As reported by member of this forum as best I can recall - Arizona public college (U of Arizona or Arizona State, don't remember which) took hard line and went after lost tuition from student. Debt sent to collections and reported to credit rating agencies.
Based on the above, my advice to those using a Plan B backup:
  1. Be upfront and ask Plan B to be a backup. Then there is no issue. Many of the most competitive schools will not agree, but there are plenty of colleges that will.
  2. For those using a stealth Plan B - Do not inform Plan B of reason for withdrawal. Just send an email informing them of withdrawal to pursue another opportunity. They will most likely assume student got in off a waitlist, which is an accepted reason for withdrawal. Also, be very aware of your high school's policies and likelihood they will object.
 
No gratuitous officiousness here - just trying to keep unknowing readers from following bad advice. I personally know two families who followed similar advice posted on this forum and suffered adverse consequences.

The ethical standard did not change. The adherence portion was changed in 2020 from mandatory adoption to best practices, which gives members the option rather than the requirement to report violations.

The NACAC is not limited to college counselors. It's institutional membership includes virtually every high school and college in the USA, including every service academy. Most college admissions officers and high school college counselors are individual members.

I have no fondness for the leverage colleges use against applicants and have no problem with keeping a Plan B. I merely want appointees to understand the potential risk, choose a course of action wisely, and not unwittingly get caught because someone on an internet forum told them it was ok.
"Or equivalent" actually does mean accepting an offer without deposit. It is any action showing commitment to enroll such as formally accepting an offer, completing required paperwork, registering for dorm room, etc. It is added because the deposit is waived for some students due to financial circumstances and thus "deposit" does not completely cover commitment to enroll.

Risks are uncertain. There is no known case of an appointment being withdrawn for violating this rule and no SA has formally issued a policy, but a USNA BGO did post on this forum a couple years ago that USNA would rescind an appointment if informed of such a violation. The three types of adverse actions that I am aware of occurring are:
  1. High school college counselor called family of appointee informing them he received a letter from Plan B (large, prestigious public university) listing all of that high school's students who committed to attend Plan B and was surprised to see appointee's name on the list. After much groveling from family, counselor agreed not to report violation to Plan B and SA, but appointee must withdraw acceptance from Plan B immediately.
  2. Appointee parent calls Plan B at the end of summer training and informs them that appointee has successfully completed summer training and will be attending SA. Plan B admissions officer is furious and threatens to report student to SA, but apparently never does. Family holds breath waiting for hammer to drop, which fortunately never does. Note - most of the time Plan B takes the high road and congratulates family.
  3. As reported by member of this forum as best I can recall - Arizona public college (U of Arizona or Arizona State, don't remember which) took hard line and went after lost tuition from student. Debt sent to collections and reported to credit rating agencies.
Based on the above, my advice to those using a Plan B backup:
  1. Be upfront and ask Plan B to be a backup. Then there is no issue. Many of the most competitive schools will not agree, but there are plenty of colleges that will.
  2. For those using a stealth Plan B - Do not inform Plan B of reason for withdrawal. Just send an email informing them of withdrawal to pursue another opportunity. They will most likely assume student got in off a waitlist, which is an accepted reason for withdrawal. Also, be very aware of your high school's policies and likelihood they will object.
These recommendations seem sound to me. What I objected to was the suggestion that it is "considered unethical" for an applicant to have "Plan B" deposits down. Another poster referenced the Common App, and that's a valid consideration if an applicant used the Common App and expressly agreed not to put down multiple deposits. On the other hand, if an applicant didn't use the Common App, then we're back to square one from an applicant's perspective. And aside from the Common App, the only ethics I see in play from the applicant's perspective is the understanding that the applicant may lose a deposit, which, after all, is the point of a deposit.

My larger point is that to the extent that some schools may try to prevent applicants from having more than one iron in the fire (absent an express agreement to the contrary, such as binding ED or I guess the Common App), they are being grossly unfair to applicants and bespeak a giant double-standard from the perspective of the schools. Schools themselves offer admission to more students than they can enroll precisely to protect themselves against under-enrollment. They assume that yield rates will protect them. And most of the time they are right. But when they are not, kids find themselves temporarily living in hotels, three to a double, in storage rooms, unable to register for necessary courses, etc. Is this considered "unethical" by schools? Airlines do the same thing when they intentionally overbook flights. If they get caught short, then they have to bargain their way out with the consumer. But it's not considered "unethical" to do so. So why is it considered "unethical" for students, the consumer, to do the same thing? In truth, it isn't inherently unethical. Instead, it's a blatant attempt by some schools to co-opt third parties (including Common App apparently) at manipulating the little guy for the benefit of schools.

As far as SAs and other military-related entities are concerned, I have to observe that they seem utterly unconcerned with the issue (the BGO opining about what USNA might do aside). What I see is that as soon as non-appointment notices go out, that triggers a minor frenzy by some schools, including ROTC units, attempting to recruit/entice unsuccessful SA applicants with scholarship offers, late application offers, etc., well after the May 1 "deadline" that the cartel has agreed on. To be sure, this is all to the benefit of applicants, but it's utterly inconsistent with any notion of "ethics" in deciding where to attend school and by which date.

Finally, all I'll say about the Arizona anecdote is that, if it is true, there must be more to the story. I've never heard of an enrollment deposit by itself being construed as a commitment to pay a semester's tuition.
 
My larger point is that to the extent that some schools may try to prevent applicants from having more than one iron in the fire (absent an express agreement to the contrary, such as binding ED or I guess the Common App), they are being grossly unfair to applicants and bespeak a giant double-standard from the perspective of the schools. Schools themselves offer admission to more students than they can enroll precisely to protect themselves against under-enrollment. They assume that yield rates will protect them. And most of the time they are right. But when they are not, kids find themselves temporarily living in hotels, three to a double, in storage rooms, unable to register for necessary courses, etc. Is this considered "unethical" by schools? Airlines do the same thing when they intentionally overbook flights. If they get caught short, then they have to bargain their way out with the consumer. But it's not considered "unethical" to do so. So why is it considered "unethical" for students, the consumer, to do the same thing? In truth, it isn't inherently unethical. Instead, it's a blatant attempt by some schools to co-opt third parties (including Common App apparently) at manipulating the little guy for the benefit of schools.
A couple points:

"Other than binding ED or the Common App" covers a really large number of students, especially in the context of high achievers like SA applicants. It's a big deal in situations where the seats (and the financial aid that usually comes with them) are hard to come by and holding two open "just in case" does violate a commitment you made to allow that system to accommodate as many kids as possible. Your student saw value in that commitment when it helped gain him a spot, so why should it mean less once he got his? I'm not as concerned about regular admissions (especially on the Common App) because there are a ton of them and those schools often have spots available into August so you're usually not blocking someone else. In recent years the schools that do run out of seats have tended to rely more and more on ED and ED2 to manage their yield so they don't get as many late cancellations.

Also, the negative impact should not just be measured in your own living room. The school you're coming from will have applicants coming along in future years and those colleges are going to stop believing your GC, read the letters expounding on "high character" with more skepticism, not be as willing to take a chance on more corner cutting. You are a representative of your school, and your actions leave a wake that others have to live with.

Finally I actually do think overselling flights and schools is unethical and not just another clever thing the free market offers us. If you've found yourself standing in an airport with a losing ticket you're not going to laugh it off as just one of those things we should expect when we buy into a contract with multiple pages of small type but apparently no guaranteed seat. It should not be allowed, and if airlines are finding it easy to justify paying fines to make more money then the penalties should be raised to discourage it.
 
If you're going to do the gap year, be considerate of those on the plan b waitlist and inform college b so that they can open a spot to a waitlisted student.
Your quote from the USAFA coach was interesting: "...and if possible would like to save a blue chip for someone unable to get in on their own merits" given prior threads' posts concerned about underqualified minorities being accepted.
 
I think you said your USAFA offer was conditional and not all conditions have been met. If that’s the case then I would think it makes sense for you and any applicant in your position to accept a spot at school they know they can go to. However, if you know you won’t be going, then I do think you should let the school know as soon as possible. Not every school is willing to agree to a gap year.
 
A couple points:

"Other than binding ED or the Common App" covers a really large number of students, especially in the context of high achievers like SA applicants. It's a big deal in situations where the seats (and the financial aid that usually comes with them) are hard to come by and holding two open "just in case" does violate a commitment you made to allow that system to accommodate as many kids as possible. Your student saw value in that commitment when it helped gain him a spot, so why should it mean less once he got his? I'm not as concerned about regular admissions (especially on the Common App) because there are a ton of them and those schools often have spots available into August so you're usually not blocking someone else. In recent years the schools that do run out of seats have tended to rely more and more on ED and ED2 to manage their yield so they don't get as many late cancellations.

Also, the negative impact should not just be measured in your own living room. The school you're coming from will have applicants coming along in future years and those colleges are going to stop believing your GC, read the letters expounding on "high character" with more skepticism, not be as willing to take a chance on more corner cutting. You are a representative of your school, and your actions leave a wake that others have to live with.

Finally I actually do think overselling flights and schools is unethical and not just another clever thing the free market offers us. If you've found yourself standing in an airport with a losing ticket you're not going to laugh it off as just one of those things we should expect when we buy into a contract with multiple pages of small type but apparently no guaranteed seat. It should not be allowed, and if airlines are finding it easy to justify paying fines to make more money then the penalties should be raised to discourage it.
I'm not tracking the first bolded portion. What "commitment you made" are you referring to in a non-ED, non-Common App situation? I'm not aware of any such "commitment," particularly one that "helped gain a spot." If there were such a commitment, that's different, but that's why I wrote "other than binding ED or the Common App [which I had not known about since my kids didn't use it]." Your subsequent comment about not being "as concerned about regular admissions because there are a ton of them and those schools often have spots available into August" suggests to me that we actually agree. That's the usual situation I was contemplating in my comment.

As far as the second bold, whatever one thinks about schools (or airlines) overselling, it's a fact of life. In defense of schools, of course they account for yield in issuing admissions decisions. If they didn't, they wouldn't fill their classes. But sometimes the yield projections turn out to be a bit off, and too many kids end up on campus. While it sucks (temporarily) for the kids, I suspect if you asked them, they'd rather that than a denial. But that makes admission game-theory a two-way street.
 
Finally, all I'll say about the Arizona anecdote is that, if it is true, there must be more to the story. I've never heard of an enrollment deposit by itself being construed as a commitment to pay a semester's tuition.
It was my daughter, not a Service Academy student and she says that she notified them when she decided to go to a different school. They sent billing notices to our home while she was away at school and even though I called them immediately, they refused to deal with me and would only deal with her. An attorney in the family got involved but ASU never backed down and despite many appeals, refused to back down. My daughter was dealing with a lot of issues at the school she was at and really not able to work on this but really should not have gotten to the point that it did. ASU insisted that she owed room and board (full meal plan) for the first semester and tuition for TWO semesters. Daughter's visit to the school when she put down deposit was before she turned 18 and said that she never signed a contract that she wasn't eligible to sign anyway.
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We are hardly neophytes at the college game, this was not out first child to go to college and my wife is a tenured university professor. Everybody we spoke to about this had never heard of a school doing this either but over 7 years of harassment and bad credit was hard to ignore.
 
It was my daughter, not a Service Academy student and she says that she notified them when she decided to go to a different school. They sent billing notices to our home while she was away at school and even though I called them immediately, they refused to deal with me and would only deal with her. An attorney in the family got involved but ASU never backed down and despite many appeals, refused to back down. My daughter was dealing with a lot of issues at the school she was at and really not able to work on this but really should not have gotten to the point that it did. ASU insisted that she owed room and board (full meal plan) for the first semester and tuition for TWO semesters. Daughter's visit to the school when she put down deposit was before she turned 18 and said that she never signed a contract that she wasn't eligible to sign anyway.
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We are hardly neophytes at the college game, this was not out first child to go to college and my wife is a tenured university professor. Everybody we spoke to about this had never heard of a school doing this either but over 7 years of harassment and bad credit was hard to ignore.
I have no desire to get far into the weeds on this, but I'm guessing then that she had registered for classes at ASU, etc.? Otherwise, how would a bill have even been generated?
 
I have no desire to get far into the weeds on this, but I'm guessing then that she had registered for classes at ASU, etc.? Otherwise, how would a bill have even been generated?
You guessed wrong. She never registered for classes. She went for a visit in March or April and before she went they told her that they needed a deposit to keep her spot so she brought them a $500 check. A few weeks later she toured another school and liked it better and decided to go there. the only way she could have been registered for classes is if they did it for her.
 
You guessed wrong. She never registered for classes. She went for a visit in March or April and before she went they told her that they needed a deposit to keep her spot so she brought them a $500 check. A few weeks later she toured another school and liked it better and decided to go there. the only way she could have been registered for classes is if they did it for her.
Then they could never have prevailed on any claim. I guess as an attorney I don't worry about manifestly meritless claims that could be made, but I understand how it could be worrisome to face something like this.
 
Non-Common App applications - many schools have a similar "no double commitment" clause buried in the fine print of their application. Very few applicants realize this when signing the application.
 
Life Lesson - you may be in the right, but if your opponent is a large, well funded, institution, you may lose even if you fight and win. Sometimes it is wise to avoid the fight entirely.
 
A couple of things. First, I believe that "code of ethics" was changed in/around 2019 after the DOJ started looking into antitrust issues concerning colleges colluding to prevent competition for students. Second, nothing about any such "code of ethics" is binding on non-members of NACC, which is pretty much everybody other than college counselors who belong to the organization.

I have no reason to doubt anything else you wrote, but I'm not a fan of gratuitous officiousness. There are plenty of good, legitimate reasons for future students to protect themselves in the event of the slings and arrows of misfortune, changes in circumstance, etc. One might even argue that it's foolish not to.
I apologize to all! I intended write ”it is NOT unethical”. Changes my entire statement. My bad. I apologize again for this error.
 
From Collegeboard.org:

Double Deposits​

Double depositing means putting down a deposit, and thus accepting admission, at more than one college. Since a student can’t attend multiple colleges, it is considered unethical. Why might students and families do this, considering that it would mean forfeiting one deposit? The main reasons are:

  • To buy time to decide on a college when the student has been accepted by more than one. The usual decision deadline is May 1. By double depositing, a student can delay deciding until fall.
  • To continue negotiating financial aid offers with more than one college past the May 1 decision deadline.
  • Because the student is on a waiting list at one college and wants to ensure enrollment somewhere in case of being turned down. This scenario is the only one in which NACAC considers double depositing acceptable.
Why is double depositing unethical?

  • It's deceitful. Students know they can only attend one college, so they are essentially lying when they notify more than one that they intend to enroll.
  • It's unfair to the college. If the practice continues, colleges may find they can't predict the size of the incoming class with any accuracy. They may take actions such as enlarging the waiting list or increasing deposit amounts (both of which will impact future applicants).
  • It's unfair to other applicants. The double depositor is taking up a spot that could go to another student, who will instead be put on a waiting list or turned down.
 
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