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anxious_applicant

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Purely out of curiosity, would anyone mind sharing stories of whats happened to cadets for lying about prior marijuana use? What happens if you admit to prior experimentation after having denied this on the original question in the application?
 
I would recommend to my son in this situation to contact admissions and tell them you reviewed your application and see that you were not accurate on that question and would like to know how to correct it.

And do not lie about any question they have for you about it.
 
Capt MJ said:
Same questions just appeared in USAFA forum.

Thread 'Lying on Form 2030'
https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/lying-on-form-2030.79432/

If the person never comes clean, they will have to continue to tell that same lie on all subsequent security clearance forms and medical histories
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Not only them continuing the lie, but anyone else that’s potentially interviewed or making statements as part of the security clearance, as I understand the process for clearance. I’m not in the know. But I quiver thinking about an unknowing answer to a question of a reference put on the form, or a neighbor, etc, 10 yrs down the road, who doesn’t recall “the story” correctly. Something like that. I watch too much tv though 😬
 
I would say if a candidate is lying already, that is not a good start to a service academy career. The Honor Code is prominent at all of the academies. Lying is a central point of those honor codes. If a candidate is willing to "stretch" at this point, then they are liable to do so again. And lying about marijuana use is not a minor thing in my view.
 
Dishonesty comes from insecurity and weakness. Don't give yourself a reason to be insecure or weak at any SA.
 
Does USNA or USMA have a form like Form 2030? I only had to fill one out for the USAFA app but is there something similar at USNA and USMA's I/R-Day? I'm curious.
 
anxious_applicant said:
Purely out of curiosity, would anyone mind sharing stories of whats happened to cadets for lying about prior marijuana use? What happens if you admit to prior experimentation after having denied this on the original question in the application?
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Yea you'd need to lie on that question for like every future medical form you ever fill out so you can stay consistent so I'd just tell the truth and be done with it.
 
I would say there are a big chuck of people who lie about Marijuana use. I know when I enlisted in the navy a bunch of people did. I am going to be upfront with my answer. I don’t think this one is a big deal. This will just be a yes or no question that will come up on future medical forms and security clearances. That is it Yes or no. No further information or story needed. Just yes or no. So to say it would be hard to keep the same story for all of life is a lie. You would just have to answer No and move on. I am not going to lie to you, If you marked No and then come back feeling bad that you did and tell them even a week later then you are done. No if’s ands or buts, Done right then and their.
 
Usnavyguy83 said:
I would say there are a big chuck of people who lie about Marijuana use. I know when I enlisted in the navy a bunch of people did. I am going to be upfront with my answer. I don’t think this one is a big deal. This will just be a yes or no question that will come up on future medical forms and security clearances. That is it Yes or no. No further information or story needed. Just yes or no. So to say it would be hard to keep the same story for all of life is a lie. You would just have to answer No and move on. I am not going to lie to you, If you marked No and then come back feeling bad that you did and tell them even a week later then you are done. No if’s ands or buts, Done right then and their.
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Saying you would just need to answer no and nothing else gets followed up through your career if you keep your story straight is misleading at best. You personally might remember to say no on your forms, but when the folks who do background checks for security clearances start asking around people you grew up with and hung out with that knew about your habits, they might not think it’s a big deal to admit the use and/or not want to lie for you to a federal officer and then you get caught. Depending on the organization and level of clearance you are going for, polygraphs can also become a part of the equation. Good luck trying to beat the test.

To the OP, the Academies and the military gets experimentation in high school/college to a certain point. They are also aware people try to hide it because of legalities involved. Best advice is be straight with them from the front but if you weren’t, the first opportunity you have to correct your mistake, take it. Covering up something always 100% makes the situation worse than from the start for soldiers or cadets.
 
The bottom line is you simply should not lie. Lying at the academy has serious consequences. Lying in the military can have life or death consequences. That might seem like a hardline stance, but that is a fact. People rationalize lying by saying to themselves I am just going to do it this once because it allows me to get what I want. And it almost never end up being "just once."
 
USMAZoo98 said:
The bottom line is you simply should not lie. Lying at the academy has serious consequences. Lying in the military can have life or death consequences. That might seem like a hardline stance, but that is a fact. People rationalize lying by saying to themselves I am just going to do it this once because it allows me to get what I want. And it almost never end up being "just once."
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Agreed. Furthermore, you should always tell the full truth, and nothing but the full truth.
 
anxious_applicant said:
Purely out of curiosity, would anyone mind sharing stories of whats happened to cadets for lying about prior marijuana use? What happens if you admit to prior experimentation after having denied this on the original question in the application?
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Violation of the Honor Code. Disgusting.
 
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