Mother and fighter pilot?

pilotgirl4

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So I am finishing up my PPL and working on my degree in aviation as of right now but the more I get into the aviation world the more interested I am getting into being a fighter pilot and flying the fast jets. I love flying and I have planned to be a flight instructor straight out of school to build hours then go to the airlines but the more and more I fly the more I think I want to fly the fast jets instead of the airliners, at least for now then maybe retire to the airlines. But the answer I keep searching for all over the internet is, is it actually possible to have a family and be a fighter pilot? I right now have an almost 2 year old son with my fiance and I love them both to death of course and want to know how possible it is to still have an active role in my family but also be a fighter pilot? I understand being in the military is a huge commitment so that is why I'm trying to look into everything I can. Things I have big questions on is obviously how many people have been able to accomplish this, if you are deployed how long is an average deployment, how is the support system like for military families etc. I know the aviation field in general is not very family friendly but I guess I'm wondering if the career of fighter pilot would be a lot more absent than an airline pilot would be? Is it possible to be an instructor for the military so I can stay with my family more and not be deployed as much? Or thoughts on how the reserve works and if that is a plausible avenue?

Sorry for all of the questions haha

Any advice is appreciated, thank you!!!
 
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I can't tell you what it is like to be a mom (or female) and fly in the military, but can provide some responses to your questions, as well as unsolicited advice:

1) While flying fighters is an admirable goal, the truth is you are a Naval (or other branch of the service) Officer first. Being a pilot is a warfare specialty.

2) If you get accepted into flight training, you won't necessarily get to fly fast jets...You will get assigned to a platform based upon a variety of factors, including needs of the Navy, perfomance in flight school, quality spread and preferences.,

3) Is it possible to be a Naval Officer and have a family; yes, its possible...thousands of dedicated men and women do it. It's not easy, as Mom or Dad. Service in the Navy includes not only deployments, but also detachments and other periods away from home. Deployments are typically to last 6-8 months, but can be extended. Fortunately (and in some cases unfortunately) communications are a lot better than they were back in my day. (I say unfortunately, as the separation is sometimes harder when a problem comes up, you hear about it, but are unable to contribute to the solution).

4) Another issue is home stability. In most services you will have to move frequently (every 2-3 years) to follow your career progression. Sure, there are exceptions and examples of Officers "homesteading" in a location for extended periods, but if you are career motivated, you follow the challenging jobs. This can be hard on kids and family; kids are pretty resilient and this can make them stronger, but its particularly tough when the spouse has a career.

I'm sure others can add their $.02....
 
That was it in a nutshell: needs of Navy (any service) first, moving every few years, deployment separations. People can and do have families, but it takes special people back in the homefront, commitment, strong communications skills and oceans of love.
 
Yes, it's possible, but it's not necessarily easy.
Most AF deployments are going to be 4-6 months. There will be shorter TDYs in between those. If you want to live in one area or be guaranteed which aircraft you'll get (assuming you pass UPT), you should look into the AF Reserve or Air National Guard. Active Duty AF pilots don't know what aircraft they will fly or where until the end of pilot training.
 
Well... here it goes.
My wife was not a fighter pilot but a helo pilot. And then did other cool stuff, but I won't get into that. Really, the type of pilot probably doesn't matter. All will have challenges.
First off, the idea that you can be and do everything is a load of horse manure. Some things will give. It's not to mean you can't have a successful career and well-rounded/adjusted kids, but something will give. Either your career will suffer or you will miss events. Either your spouse will sacrifice their career (what I did), or someone else will raise or at least help raise your kids. If you want more kids you will spend time out of the cockpit that your male contemporaries won't. It's not like you are penalized for being pregnant, but if you can't hold down the slots your male contemporaries are holding down that may hurt you. These are not bad things. They are just things you should understand and will need to balance.
At times your kids will resent the sacrifices and, at times, they may call you the worst mom ever. Of course, that pretty much comes with the "mom and dad" territory. But if you try to be the best mother and spouse you can, to make up for the seperation it can work.
While the civilian airline career may not have long deployments you will still be looking at time away from home. Future pregnancy will not hurt your career advancement as much, but it will hurt your income.
I hope this helps. Good luck.
 
In the AF it is doable. Google Jeannie Flynn Leavitt and Fifi Malachowski. However, as others have stated you will be deployed more often than you might have taken into account. My husband flew F15E with both of those women. He was deployed @9 months out of a 3 yr tour. Deployed 4-5 months home for about 10 months, repeat. You would also need to throw in some short TDYs here and there (few weeks at a clip). On top of that you don't just fly during the day, but will also do night flights.
~ If you plan on having more children, understand G suits are not compatible with pregnancies. You will be flying a desk. Most females I know that fly fighters time their pregnancies, example they know they are about to PCS (move) they step out of the jet and take a desk assignment.

My point is just like your male counterparts, your spouse many times will be Mom and Dad. Both of these women are married to AF officers. Due to this fact they hired au pairs to live in their home and pick up the slack for them.

Typically at UPT bases they may drop only 3 or 4 fighters for every class. Our DS's class winged with 21 pilots. Only 1 16 and 1 15E dropped. The rest in the T38 track got Bombers. 1 got a FAIP. There were 6 in the 38 track.

I have planned to be a flight instructor straight out of school to build hours then go to the airlines
Believe it or not many of our AF friends kids have gone into the flying world. They either went AF commissioned or did something like you. 3 went to a private commercial airline school (2 yrs to get through the program --- multi engine). I will say it takes years and years of flying to make it up the ladder for commercial airlines. I mean yrs. The 3 that went this path started off with the regionals, very small planes, aka puddle jumpers. They than moved up to the next level, i.e. American Eagle which is a bigger puddle jumper, but their flights are still only about 45 mins long and they do flights like Abilene to Dallas with maybe 50 passengers, all day long back and forth between the 2 airports. None of that have moved up yet to anything that is larger than that and they have been doing this for 3-4 yrs now. Their expectation is that it probably will be a total of 7+ yrs for them to get to the big planes.
~ They have had to move along the way because where they were hubbed. One started off with Delta, their smallest puddle jumper. He flew Miami to Puerto Rico. Did that for 2 yrs. He is now in Minneapolis flying a larger puddle jumper. Has been there now for almost 2 yrs. His intention is to hopefully on the next climb to move back to NC and be based there.

This is also where you have to add into the equation that each time you move up the ladder, you will go back to the right seat and start the process of bidding all over again with a lower line number than your left seat counterpart. Many AF pilots will eventually go commercial. I will say for them the 1st 2 yrs they were gone for almost every single holiday because of their line number. None of them had to do the puddle jumpers, they all went straight into the bigger planes (7 series...737, 747, etc) because they all did their time in the AF (at least 10 yrs).

I am just pointing out that there are negatives with your commercial airline plan too from a family life aspect. Even when you get to the pinnacle of the left seater, you are still going to be gone often. We have friends with every airline (SWA, Delta, Jet Blue, Continental, plus UPS and FedEx) all of them have the same story. They fly about 3-4 days a week, home for 3-4 days, repeat.

Our DS is 90% sure that when his commitment is over with the AF he will leave. He is a heavy pilot. He already has our friends offering to be his reference with their airlines. He jokingly has stated that he does not want to fly passengers, and so he will go with a company like UPS or FedEX....boxes don't talk! He is married and has 2 small children, the AF op tempo is starting to wear on him. Both pregnancies he found out they were expecting within days of a 4-5 month deployment. Basically came home to a 7 month pregnant wife.

For my hubby when he was ADAF, he missed every Halloween from the time our youngest was 5 mos old until he was 8 yrs old. He missed our oldest DS's 1st communion. Came home from a 4 month deployment 3 days before our DD's 1st communion. He missed every birthday of our 2 oldest for 5 yrs straight (TDYs or deployment). I spent more anniversaries with my best friends than I did with my husband. We moved 11 times in 21 yrs. We have 3 kids. We never lived in the same house from the time I got pregnant, gave birth and celebrated their 1st birthday. In the fighter community it is common to move every 3 yrs.
~ You have a 2 yr old now. It is easy to move them, but you will owe a decade plus of your life to the AF regardless of your airframe. It is easy for little ones to move, but trust me when they hit that 9 yo age, there will be tears from them when they are forced to leave their school, their friends, their home.
~ There will be times when your children look you straight in the face with tears flowing down and say I HATE YOU. This is so unfair to me just because of you! Been there, done that and collected the check with my kids. It is short lived, but it still hurts, especially when they are in those teenage yrs., which your DS will be before you can leave ADAF. Assumption being even if you go to OCS in Jan., with a follow on to UPT, and start that right away. Your DS would 14 or so before you can bolt....yes, 14. UPT is a yr long and your commitment starts once you wing.

Our DS's closest friend out of AFROTC did 5 yrs (desk), left the ADAF 18 mos ago. She decided to go ANG. She had to apply to many units before she got picked up by a unit. She is going to UPT this month and knows she will be flying full time with a specific guard unit upon winging. She knows what airframe she will get, which is a heavy (C130). There will be no vying for a T38 slot at UPT, no matter what she will go the T1 route. Just like her ADAF pilot counterparts, she will move 2x before she gets back to her unit. UPT at Vance for a yr or so. Than she will move to Little Rock for 6 months. Than she will move to her Guard unit. Add in she will also do SERE and water survival somewhere along the way. Once at the unit she will spend the 1st few months becoming operational.

What will your fiancé do during those 2 yrs, especially if you are like our DS, Fencers DS or Stealth's DS where they go to Laughlin AFB aka He!! Rio? Del Rio is in the middle of nowhere TX. San Antonio is 2 1/2 hrs away. When I say nowhere, I mean nowhere. Get a 16 and you can be assigned to OH MY GOD NO Alamogordo. How about Mt Home Idaho, the hub of Elmore county with @10K people and 51 miles from Boise? Google these places.
~ There are very limited job opportunities for him. Will he be happy following you around and no true career opportunities? Trust me, been there, done that, and collected the check at all 3 of these places. How about if you get a 16 and assigned to Korea or Eilson AFB (Fairbanks AK)? What if you get a B-1 and are sent to Abilene TX. These are true chances that might occur. Those fun AF bases like Randolph, Elmendorf, Eglin. Hickham, Ramstein, etc. are not the norm. Goldsboro for the F15E (Seymour Johnson), located 70 miles out of Raleigh is more likely.
~~ Add on the fact that he will be Mom and Dad while following you around for your career. There are marriages that as much as they love each other, fail. The spouse loses their own identity. The charm of the AF wears off when their life becomes a single parent 24/7 for months.
~~~ The pay is good, but unlike the false belief that is always said, pilots do not make a million plus flight pay. I married my DH when he was an O1. DS1 was born when he was an O2. I had college loans that he repaid bc I was a stay at home Mom (1st op tour was England). Money was tight, but we also are financial savers. It wasn't that we couldn't afford things, but did I buy store brand no name cereal over name brand like Cheerios, yes! Did we always joke that when he made O3 we would than have money? Yes, but the problem was when he made O3, we had a 2nd child. This continued his entire career, make O4 and 8 yrs flight pay, we would be rolling in the dough...nope now we had 3 kids, all in sports, a bigger car (car payment too), and they were still young, which meant if I went back to work, and because where we were stationed, by the time we paid taxes and daycare since he would be deployed the money was so nominal that it made more sense for us to tighten our belt and buy store brand cereal over name brand so I could stay at home. That was our choice as a couple. I agreed to it, but I won't lie, there were times I really resented him and there were many fights over the yrs where I threw it in his face....I followed you around the world and was both parents, so you could live out your dream and tell me that you can't believe you get paid to do this, while every move I had to reinvent myself.
~~~~ Just saying talk to him, and I mean really talk about the reality he will incur for a decade.

Would I relive our AF life? Heck yes, in a heartbeat. The friendships we made are nothing like you do in the corporate airline world. Our 2 oldest are now married. DD got married last weekend. 1 table at the reception was jokingly referred to as our AF family table. These friends drove hrs to attend the wedding. We actually go to each other kids wedding and now call it our reunion. That is the beauty of the AF these friendships last a life time because only they get it. They are the people you celebrate the majority of your holidays together, not your blood family.
~ To also prove that the life is great even with all of the moves and deployments, I would say 75% of our friends that we served with, now have a child that is active duty. They all fly, except 1 due to vision. If our DS leaves as soon as possible, he will have spent the 1st 34 yrs of his life in the AF. His wife is an AF brat too. To me that says they loved the life too.

Sorry for the novella, but I hope it gives you even more insight into the pros and cons from both the commercial and military life.
 
What will your fiancé do during those 2 yrs, especially if you are like our DS, Fencers DS or Stealth's DS where they go to Laughlin AFB aka He!! Rio? Del Rio is in the middle of nowhere TX. San Antonio is 2 1/2 hrs away. When I say nowhere, I mean nowhere. Get a 16 and you can be assigned to OH MY GOD NO Alamogordo. How about Mt Home Idaho, the hub of Elmore county with @10K people and 51 miles from Boise? Google these places.
~ There are very limited job opportunities for him. Will he be happy following you around and no true career opportunities? Trust me, been there, done that, and collected the check at all 3 of these places. How about if you get a 16 and assigned to Korea or Eilson AFB (Fairbanks AK)? What if you get a B-1 and are sent to Abilene TX. These are true chances that might occur. Those fun AF bases like Randolph, Elmendorf, Eglin. Hickham, Ramstein, etc. are not the norm. Goldsboro for the F15E (Seymour Johnson), located 70 miles out of Raleigh is more likely.
You can argue all you want about the merits of one aircraft over another but clearly, the Navy puts aviators in better locations than the Air Force.
 
"What if you get a B-1 and are sent to Abilene TX. "

What's so bad abut Abilene Texas? My son is luckier its either Shrevport LA or Minot ND and yes I am being sarcastic
 
He jokingly has stated that he does not want to fly passengers, and so he will go with a company like UPS or FedEX....boxes don't talk!

Great post PIMA. Had to laugh at the above quote...I have a Classmate who flies UPS and posts hilarious observations about his travels around the world on Facebook. That line comes up all the time, particularly when he has to fly on a commercial aircraft to meet his aircraft somewhere.

The travel flying cargo appears to be amazing..no repetitive back and forth flights, and world travel ---the downside is the Christmas season is truly frantic and can take you anywhere in the world. In recent years hes' been lucky to make it home at O'dark thirty on Christmas AM.
 
So my son flies fighters and he hit the jackpot of "PIMA's List of Sucky Locations". He did UPT in Del Rio, TX and is currently an Instructor Pilot at Holloman in Alamogordo, NM. In all actuality, he has not had a real problem with either place. He and his wife are very out-doorsy and they love to hunt, fish, and camp so they have made the most of it. Jobs are a real problem for spouses, as Pima said. My son's wife is a wildlife biologist with two degrees. She was working in the Florida Keys doing bird rehab research when they met. When they moved to Alamogordo she took a zoo keeper job at the municipal zoo to stay close to the animals, but after a year of $7/hour pay and no real challenges, she left that and has started teaching elementary school biology this year. They do not have any kids.

The OP mentioned being an instructor pilot in order to stay close to family. In the AF, instructor pilots are not a continual job that you keep for your career. Instructing is a second or third assignment for pilots that everyone does at one time or another for 2-3 years. My son did two combat-unit assignments and the instructor pilot is his third assignment. After this 3 years instructing in Alamogordo he will be sent back to another combat unit. Even as an instructor there are 3-4 day TDYs every so often as well as 10 week TDY to safety school and other various trips. Last month he did a 4 day TDY to Miami to do the flyover for the Dolphins/Chargers game. They did a 3-week trip to Nellis to do adversarial air training. Every month or so they fly on nights for a week training so he goes in from 3 PM to 3 AM. On days he is not flying he has to sit in the tower as Supervisor of Flying or Top 3 as well as getting his other paperwork done. So, even being an instructor doesn't mean you'll be home all the time.

Stealth_81
 
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Stealth, Bullet also had this fun TDYs --- flyovers, Red Flag, etc.
However, one thing the OP needs to understand is that those fun things won't happen for yrs. They need to wing, than become operational at their 1st base, and than MAYBE they get that good deal.

I honestly think that if our DS was not an AF Brat that commissioned via AFROTC, born he probably would stay. But for him, he is getting tired of moving and with having children now he wants the stability of the commercial world. For him 34 yrs of his life was all AF
~ Caveat his dream will be transitioning into the ANG and flying commercial.


I am insanely proud of him. He is like his Dad. It was never about flying per se. It was always about giving back to our country. It was about this unique bond in the AF.
~ I recall verbatim what DS said to Bullet and me at his wedding
~~ Mom, thank you for supporting me regarding everything I did to get here.
~~~ Dad, Mr. Bill (F15E), Klink (F15E) Viedo (F15E), Muehly (F15) thank you for showing me the brethren in this AF world. They all went outside and smoked cigars after that and did the whole hand thing regarding we were positioned at this angle.
 
That made me chortle, @OldRetSWO
I am a Surface Warfare type in the Nav but am pretty familiar with the Aviation side. After training in Newport RI (such a TERRIBLE place to be stationed), I had a couple of ship tours stationed in Norfolk VA and I lived in Virginia Beach. Real tough. . . lots of tourists seem to think its a nice place. Then shore duty in Virginia Beach (see above) and was right next to the Navy's East Coast Master Jet Base which is also in Virginia Beach. East Coast folks might also be stationed at NAS Norfolk (see above) or NAS Jacksonville. On the West Coast the main choices are in San Diego or in Washington State (not far from Seattle). OF course, there is also the terrible hellhole of Hawaii. On the downside, there is NAS Patuxent River MD which is known to be an area with bad schools but its not too far from Washington DC which offers cultural and spousal employment possibilities.
 
Boxes may not complain, but the clients sure do.
The cargo flights throughout the world are cool. Two days in Hong Kong, three days in Waikiki. But the length of the trips gets old. Same with trying to adjust back to US time after a week flying around Asia.
I went back to pax flying where I would be home more. Hauling rubber dog poo out of Hong Kong wasn’t as cool as I thought it would be.
 
If I read the OP correctly, you are almost done with a college degree which makes OCS the best commisioning path.

One nice thing about OCS is that you get selected for your warfare community before you sign the contract. It doesn't guarantee type of airframe, but if you want to be a Navy pilot and get selected, then you will become a Navy pilot as long as you don't flunk out. You still need to be totally committed to being a Naval officer first, and pilot second, but you don't have to worry about getting stuck in a community you don't want to be in.

The age limit is much higher for OCS (though I don't recall it right now) and you can enter OCS if you have dependents and are married (not sure about dependents if you are single).

Lots of good info in the posts above about lifestyle/locations etc. One thing to add - if you do go Navy Air, there are lots of sea duty and shore duty jobs located in the same place. Back in my day, lots of friends bought houses and stayed in Va Beach or Norfolk for multiple tours - RAG, first Fleet Tour, RAG instructor, Disassociated Sea Tour (shooter, CAG paddles, etc), Department Head Tour, Pentagon, XO/CO tour - all while living in the same house in Va Beach. It can be done, but certainly not something to bank on.

Obviously much more stable home life during shore duty, though there will be DETs here and there. For sea duty, even if deployments are only 6-7 months, you will spend more time away that you will at home for the 3 year tour. Workups are almost more stressful that deployments because you are on a constant coming/going schedule - ie. at sea for 3 weeks, home for 2 weeks, at Fallon for 4 weeks, home for a week, at sea for 10 days, etc etc for 18 months leading up to cruise. when you get back, it starts all over again.

best of luck
 
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