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How precisely does the national nomination pool work for candidates whose MOC did not give a primary nom or was unable to secure a primary nom?
 
BSCAR said:
How precisely does the national nomination pool work for candidates whose MOC did not give a primary nom or was unable to secure a primary nom?
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Pore through this for some insight:

http://polis.house.gov/uploadedfiles/congressional_guide_-_2014.pdf

I think you mean the "national waiting list." It's wherefully fully qualified candidates with noms hang out. The Service Academy selects from that pool to fill out the class using various criteria.

Plus read all the stickies at the top of Noms forum, if you haven't already.
 
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@Capt MJ
Please elaborate on the following taken from your above guide pdf file. Thanks.

"Appointment of Other Qualified Candidates In addition to those selected to fill vacancies for a Member of Congress, it is possible that one or more additional nominees of the Member of Congress may be successful in gaining appointments under the qualified alternate or additional appointment categories. These appointments are not charged to the Members of Congress but are charged as qualified alternates and additional appointees."
 
Exactly as it says. Appointments can be offered to fully qualified candidates with noms without being charged to the MOC (freed up from his/her max at any one time at a specific SA), and categorized as "qualified alternates and additional appointees."

In practical terms...

Rep X submits slate of noms, per their chosen ranked/unranked method to SA.
SA offers appointments to fully qualified candidate(s) off that slate, following their stated policy with regard to principal nom, if that method is used.
SA keeps track of MOC's appointees, all years, to ensure staying within allowed quota.
MOC's quota is reached for charged noms.
Remaining fully qualified candidates with noms hang out in the virtual pool. They are now competing against all others in the pool, national basis.
SA selects candidates from the pool and offers them appointments per the categories noted above.
Though appointee was nominated by Rep X, the appointment is not charged to Rep X.


That is my understanding, as a non-expert. I am sure others more knowledgeable will clarify further if needed.
 
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Here is the language from the actual regulation governing USNA
If it is determined that, upon the admission of a new class to the Academy, the number of midshipmen at the Academy will be below the authorized number, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating additional midshipmen from qualified candidates designated as alternates and from other qualified candidates who competed for nomination and are recommended and found qualified by the Academic Board. At least three-fourths of those nominated under this subsection shall be from qualified alternates under paragraphs (2) through (8) of section 6954(a) of this title (These are the MOC nominated applicants), and the remainder shall be from qualified candidates who competed for appointment under any other provision of law. An appointment of a nominee under this subsection is an additional appointment and is not in place of an appointment otherwise authorized by law.
Italics are mine. Here is the link https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/6956

My interpretation: After the appointments are made for all of the nominating sources, MOC, Presidential, VP, Superintendent, etc., any remaining slots are filled by by qualified alternates. Qualified alternates with MOC nominations have an advantage because 3/4 of this pool must be those with MOC nominations. This is one of the ways some congressional districts get multiple appointments each and every year. I know my congressional district gets 3-4 appointments each and every year.
 
5Day said:
My interpretation: After the appointments are made for all of the nominating sources, MOC, Presidential, VP, Superintendent, etc., any remaining slots are filled by by qualified alternates. Qualified alternates with MOC nominations have an advantage because 3/4 of this pool must be those with MOC nominations. This is one of the ways some congressional districts get multiple appointments each and every year. I know my congressional district gets 3-4 appointments each and every year.
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Thank you. I assume these appointments come from the NWL. Please confirm.
 
NWL - National Waiting List, national pool, national nomination pool, all unofficial terms that "we" have made up to describe it. But yes.
 
Capt MJ said:
In practical terms...

Rep X submits slate of noms, per their chosen ranked/unranked method to SA.
SA offers appointments to fully qualified candidate(s) off that slate, following their stated policy with regard to principal nom, if that method is used.
SA keeps track of MOC's appointees, all years, to ensure staying within allowed quota.
MOC's quota is reached for charged noms.
Remaining fully qualified candidates with noms hang out in the virtual pool. They are now competing against all others in the pool, national basis.
SA selects candidates from the pool and offers them appointments per the categories noted above.
Though appointee was nominated by Rep X, the appointment is not charged to Rep X.
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@Capt MJ My apologies. I completely missed this section and only read the top section of your post in my previous. This is very helpful and useful info. Thanks again.
 
Capt MJ said:
SA keeps track of MOC's appointees, all years, to ensure staying within allowed quota.
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Just to throw in this naughty thought: each MoC can have up to 5 charged to him/her in a SA. If you are a rising senior and those who are currently attending your dream SA charged to this MoC all withdrew/kicked out/quit/etc before you apply in your senior year, your MoC now can nominate up to 50 candidates in one year, and I believe the slates don't even need to use the same ranking method!

That's mind-blowing to say the least! :eek:
 
And you can be nominated on more than one slate from the same MOC. Could you imagine getting 5 nominations from one MOC. Now that would be mind blowing.
 
5Day said:
And you can be nominated on more than one slate from the same MOC. Could you imagine getting 5 nominations from one MOC. Now that would be mind blowing.
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But if you were told you are on 5 slates, but still don't get an appointment, that would hurt more than anyone can imagine!
 
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