Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by murfthesurf, Oct 10, 2016.
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Hmmm... Well since we changed mascots from a goat to a tiger I will still get asked how it relates to a midshipmen mascot! I better order some new sweatshirts!
The way my Fighting Irish are playing should make the Mids excited. I see a rare beat down by Navy over ND.
Do I have to throw out everything and buy all new NCAA Gear? Beat down has happened before on some occasions. Do I now have RETRO which is worth more on ebay?
Sure, but as I said it is "rare." Notre Dame leads the series: 71-11-1.
My Dad is an ND grad (with a grandson Mid) and he says this is the year Navy is going to take ND!
My Father was on the USNA Team (won 1958 Cotton Bowl) that beat ND twice in a row out of the 11 wins. He said of all the Teams he played against, ND always played dirtiest.......
You mean like 2007, 2009 and 2010?
2007 Navy 46 - ND 44
2009 Navy 23 - ND 21
2010 Navy 35 - ND 17
The win in 2007 broke a 43 year drought for Navy over ND.
Guys, I am not here to defend ND. While I am a proud alum, I readily admit the golden dome is a little tarnished (in many aspects beyond football). Heck, while ND has a tremendous football history and a record of achievement that is enviable, they benefit from strong results decades ago. More recently, the record book isn't nearly as impressive. Sports like women's bball, fencing, etc outperform them.
I will tell you that there is tremendous respect for Navy at ND - from the administration to the student body. Father Hesburgh credited Navy for saving the University and keeping it open. If you don't know the story...
"Notre Dame, like many colleges, faced severe financial difficulties during World War II, which were exacerbated by the fact that it was then still an all-male institution. The US Navy made Notre Dame a training center for V-12 candidates and paid enough for usage of the facilities to keep the University afloat. Notre Dame has since extended an open invitation for Navy to play the Fighting Irish in football and considers the game annual repayment on a debt of honor. The series is marked by mutual respect, as evidenced by each team standing at attention during the playing of the other's alma mater after the game, a tradition that started in 2005. Navy's athletic director, on renewing the series through 2016, remarked "...it is of great interest to our collective national audience of Fighting Irish fans, Naval Academy alumni, and the Navy family at large." The series is scheduled to continue indefinitely; renewals are a mere formality."
I was in DTA listening to the 2007 game in my office. At the final, DTA broke into bedlam - cars honking, people out in the streets high-fiving, mids everywhere. Memorable.
One of the things about the series I enjoy is the Navy "home" game is played in various spots. We have built vacations around the N-ND games Dublin, Orlando and elsewhere.
USMC: I think that is why Notre Dame wears Blue/Gold. As rumor has it Navy provided the uniforms and equipment during WWII. Nice story even if not true (hope it is). May the rivalry continue indefinitely.
AF6872: interesting rumor. You motivated me to do a little research. Since this thread is within the USNA forum and the topic is Navy football, I don't feel too guilty responding with a little more ND vs Navy information. I hope everyone finds it interesting. But first, regarding ND's school colors... "The origin of school colors can be traced back to the founding of the University. At the time of its founding in 1842, Notre Dame's original school colors were yellow and blue; yellow symbolized the light and blue the truth. However, sometime after the Dome and Statue of Mary atop the Main Building was gilded, gold and blue became the official colors of the University."
Now for a story I hadn't heard before...
"Back in the 1920s during the Knute Rockne days, the Notre Dame varsity generally wore blue while the freshman squad wore green. But, on several occasions the varsity team did wear green - simply for purposes of distinction when the Irish opponent also came out in blue. Games against Navy, for example, in the late 1920s featured green-clad Notre Dame teams, to avoid confusion with the Navy's blue uniforms.
Rockne didn't mind using the color change as a psychological ploy. When Notre Dame faced Navy in Baltimore in 1927, the Irish head coach started his second-string reserves. Navy retaliated by scoring a touchdown in the first five minutes of the game. But, just as the Midshipmen scored, reported George Trevor in the New York Sun, Rockne made his move:
"Instantaneously the Notre Dame regulars yanked off their blue outer sweaters and like a horde of green Gila monsters darted onto the field. From that moment on Notre Dame held the initiative, imposed its collective will upon the Navy.''
The Irish came from behind to win that one 19-6 - then did the same thing the following year in Chicago's Soldier Field, this time beating Navy 7-0. The 1928 edition of the Scholastic Football Review included this description:
"Mr. K. K. Rockne may, or may not, be a psychologist. But, he did array his Fighting Irish in bright green jerseys for their battle with the United States Naval Academy. Mr. Rockne evidently surmised that garbing a band of native and adopted Irish in their native color is somewhat akin to showing a bull the Russian flag.''
I have also built vacations around these games to include Dublin. I will be catching the game in Jacksonville next month.
I was in the stands for the 2007 game,,and it was one of the best sporting events I have ever seen ....(Navy's 1984 win over South Carolina is also in the top few). I had been to a couple close losses (1984) and (2003?), but the win in triple overtime was simply amazing. Keep in mind, Navy is outweighed and overmatched in almost every position, but the the motivation and desire they showed that day was inspiring.
Never expect a beat down against ND, and despite last week's victory, I question the Top 25 ranking (remember AF ?). However, keep in mind, this is only preseason for the one game that counts ---BEAT ARMY !
The day of the 2007 game was also the Tri-Services Powerlifting Meet at USNA. We had flown out to watch our then-Doolie USAFA son in that meet. The USAFA team was going to be staying with Mids from the Navy powerlifting team, so we said our goodbyes after the meet and headed back to our hotel. Son called us later that night and we could hardly hear him with the sounds of celebration in the background. He had a great time that night helping Navy celebrate the historic win and he still keeps in touch with a few of the friends he made at USNA that weekend.
Here's the latest in the Navy Brotherhood football video series, from the Navy-Houston game. Includes the storming of the field and Coach K's happy run. These videos are an ongoing series.
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