Need Advice- 3C wants to throw in the towel

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My 3C is struggling already with academics as he did last year. He repeated 2 classes (Calculus 2 and Chemistry) & a month of Protramid over the summer leaving him no summer leave only to go back to find himself failing again. He has reached out to teachers which only scold & judge him for not knowing the material. He has tried MGSP, Ei , tutoring center, private tutorring, and reaching out to upperclassemn is his company but nothing has helped. He has been UNSAT the whole time he's been there and now he feels its beyond his learning capacity. He thinks the school is just too difficult for him. I don't understand how he is struggling so bad when he did fine in his high school classes. Is it better to tell him to leave now where he doesn't have 2 years of terrible grades on his transcript or stick it out and repeat the classes again over the summer? Would he be able to even transfer to another school with such a low GPA?
 
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Calc 3 and Physics 1 start off with Vectors …. Kinematics and Forces in Physics which rely on the vector analysis.

Maybe just get EI and practice/HW help just for Calc 3 and Physics … then he can tackle the other subjects on his own.

Time is precious … Maybe a parent or sibling can be the Study Buddy over Google Meets some evenings?

He needs support.
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My 3C is struggling already with academics as he did last year. He repeated 2 classes (Calculus 2 and Chemistry) & a month of Protramid over the summer leaving him no summer leave only to go back to find himself failing again. He has reached out to teachers which only scold & judge him for not knowing the material. He has tried MGSP, Ei , tutoring center, private tutorring, and reaching out to upperclassemn is his company but nothing has helped. He has been UNSAT the whole time he's been there and now he feels its beyond his learning capacity. He thinks the school is just too difficult for him. I don't understand how he is struggling so bad when he did fine in his high school classes. Is it better to tell him to leave now where he doesn't have 2 years of terrible grades on his transcript or stick it out and repeat the classes again over the summer? Would he be able to even transfer to another school with such a low GPA?
all the academies are tough - getting good grades in high school isn't a great predictor of college success due to rampant grade inflation. If he''s taking Calc 3 and failing, he must be in a technical major - he should probably be considering a major change. Failing an intro to economics course is concerning - that should be an easy class.

If he's been unsatisfactory academically since he's been there, the Academy will eventually make the decision for him.

He has some tough decisions to make.
 
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Calc 3 and Physics 1 start off with Vectors …. Kinematics and Forces in Physics which rely on the vector analysis.

Maybe just get EI and practice/HW help just for Calc 3 and Physics … then he can tackle the other subjects on his own.

Time is precious … Maybe a parent or sibling can be the Study Buddy over Google Meets some evenings?

He needs support.
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Unfortunately, we have tried everything. When he tutors, he feels he has a pretty decent understanding. He is just a horrible test taker. No matter how much he studies and thinks he knows the material, his grades do not reflect it.
 
all the academies are tough - getting good grades in high school isnt a great predictor of college success due to rampant grade inflation. If he''s taking Calc 3 and failing, he must be in a technical major - he sould probably be considering a major change.

If he's been unsatisfactory academically since he's been there, the Academy will eventuially make the decision for him.

He has some tough decisions to make.
He's an Econ major. What kind of decisions what the academy make for him?
 
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@Korab …. Irrespective of the major, I believe all Midshipman take Calculus 1-3, and Physics 1 and 2.

Btw … what does UNSAT imply …. Never heard this term before
 
Is it better he leaves first or get separated or does it matter ? He would definitely want to transfer to another college
I'm sure lots of people will offer opinions and anecdotes, but ultimately it's his decision. There will be pros and cons to each option. Luckily, I have no first hand experience with the issue.
 
I am sorry to hear this.

If he actually receives a failing grade in a course or his cumulative GPA falls below the mandated threshold, he will go before an Academic Review Board at semester end. The Supe, Ac Dean, Dep Dant, faculty advisers and others review the mid’s performance over all graded aspects, plus comments and recommendations from instructor, company officer and battalion officer. On screens in the conference room, various trend lines, comments, etc., are put up for viewing and discussion.

The Board has decades of experience looking at these cases and determining what the best course of action is. They take a very close look at 3/c, especially if they are struggling in foundation courses. They do not want a mid to start 2/c year, obligate themselves, and find themselves in immediate peril once again, with 4 semesters to go. There is always a group of 3/c who are involuntarily separated for academic reasons for precisely this reason.

The Ac Board looks at course load, major, activities, etc., and tries to assess the mid’s desire to stay and potential for success. The mid has an opportunity to answer questions and express his or her thoughts about why they are struggling, their desire to stay, their plan to remediate. I can’t stress this last enough; they should be able to articulate a plan. “I have determined time management is a challenge for me. To maximize my study time, I am going to switch to company intramurals from my club sport or varsity sport, take a year off from Model UN and Debate Club, and hope to take summer school classes during summer leave. I would like to discuss switching majors from Mech E to a less complex engineering major with my academic adviser. I also realize I should have gone to the academic skills center to see where I can improve my learning ability. I have asked my parents to take my gaming system home and plan to better regulate my social media time and sleep hygiene. I believe I can succeed here and respectfully request the opportunity to try.” This is IF he truly wants this. There is no shame in saying this mountain is not meant for me.

If he decides he has had enough after 360 degree deep thinking, then perhaps he should finish out the semester and then ask to separate, which leaves him time to re-group and perhaps go to community college in the spring as he assesses other college options. The real litmus test here is if he actively starts to plan life after USNA. He should be moving toward something rather than running away.

He could explore joining NROTC late (have to watch those desired majors) or OCS after graduation, if he still has thoughts of a career as a Navy officer. USMC also has alternate paths to a commission.

Worry about what transfers when and if it comes to that.

There have been thousands and thousands of mids over the years who experienced 4 years of the tortures of the damned to stay sat, with no leave during the summers, and grinding away during the ac year and wondering where their HS brains fled to - but they graduated and were called Ensign or 2nd Lieutenant the same as a top ten grad headed to a Rhodes Scholarship
 
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Whether he goes on his own or USNA separates him, is a matter of timing. It’s all administrative in nature. If the decision is to go at semester end, then if he has anything that will transfer, he will have a 3-semester transcript to use. Ditto if he is separated by Ac Board.
 
There have been thousands and thousands of mids over the years who experienced 4 years of the tortures of the damned to stay sat, with no leave during the summers, and grinding away during the ac year and wondering where their HS brains fled to - but they graduated and were called Ensign or 2nd Lieutenant the same as a top ten grad headed to a Rhodes Scholarship
A classmate from decades ago went through this almost exactly. Graduated with a 2.2 in Basic Academics. Went on to be Top Grad in pilot training, weapons school graduate and instructor, squadron commander, retired as O-6.
 
I am sorry to hear this.

If he actually receives a failing grade in a course or his cumulative GPA falls below the mandated threshold, he will go before an Academic Review Board at semester end. The Supe, Ac Dean, Dep Dant, faculty advisers and others review the mid’s performance over all graded aspects, plus comments and recommendations from instructor, company officer and battalion officer. In screens in the conference room, various trend lines, comments, etc., are put up for viewing and discussion.

The Board has decades of experience looking at these cases and determining what the best course of action is. They take a very close look at 3/c, especially if they are struggling in foundation courses. They do not want a mid to start 2/c year, obligate themselves, and find themselves in immediate peril once again, with 4 semesters to go. There is always a group of 3/c who are involuntarily separated for academic reasons for precisely this reason.

The Ac Board looks at course load, major, activities, etc., and tries to assess the mid’s desire to stay and potential for success. The mid has an opportunity to answer questions and express his or her thoughts about why they are struggling, their desire to stay, their plan to remediate. I can’t stress this last enough; they should be able to articulate a plan. “I have determined time management is a challenge for me. To maximize my study time, I am going to switch to company intramurals from my club sport or varsity sport, take a year off from Model UN and Debate Club, and hope to take summer school classes during summer leave. I would like to discuss switching majors from Mech E to a less complex engineering major with my academic adviser. I also realize I should have gone to the academic skills center to see where I can improve my learning ability. I have asked my parents to take my gaming system home and plan to better regulate my social media time and sleep hygiene. I believe I can succeed here and respectfully request the opportunity to try.” This is IF he truly wants this. There is no shame in saying this mountain is not meant for me.

If he decides he has had enough after 360 degree deep thinking, then perhaps he should finish out the semester and then ask to separate, which leaves him time to re-group and perhaps go to community college in the spring as he assesses other college options. The real litmus test here is if he actively starts to plan life after USNA.

He could explore joining NROTC late (have to watch those desired majors) or OVS after graduation, if he still has thought of a career as a Navy officer. USMC also has alternate paths to a commission.

There have been thousands and thousands of mids over the years who experienced 4 years of the tortures of the damned to stay sat, with no leave during the summers, and grinding away during the ac year and wondering where their HS brains fled to - but they graduated and were called Ensign or 2nd Lieutenant the same as a top ten grad headed to a Rhodes Scholarship

Thank you very much for your advice. My son loves the military more than anything in the world and all he has ever wanted is to be is a Marine. He has talked about enlisting and possibly going to a cilvilan college, however he was not sure what college would accept him with such terrible grades.... He is playing a varsity sport and works tirelessly at school, practice all day and back to studying till late hours of the nights and weekends. Because his time is so limited, he didn't find the EI and learning centers helpful to him. He found that private tutoring was more efficient with his time constraints and lack of. He doesn't want to give up the sport not only because he made a commitment to the Coach and the team, but also because he feels that all the time in the world wouldn't be enough for him to improve his grades. We are learning that he is having difficulty taking tests. We thought things would improve after Plebe year, but realizing that the academics are getting more difficult each year . Obviously it's not his first choice to attend summer school and not have leave , but he would without hesitation because he doesn't want to quit . I'm not sure if the academy would even allow him to constantly repeat courses during the summer. I hate to see to him always feeling inadequte and not feeling worthy. of being there. I have no advice as a mother to give him at this point but I know that he would be devasted if he quit on his own.
 
A classmate from decades ago went through this almost exactly. Graduated with a 2.2 in Basic Academics. Went on to be Top Grad in pilot training, weapons school graduate and instructor, squadron commander, retired as O-6.
Yep!
One of our sponsor sons was a member of the “tortures of the damned club” all 4 years, not too many digits above 2.0. Summer school every summer. Varsity sport and schoolwork were all he did. Became a Marine in the finance area, now owns his own investment firm with multiple advisors and is extremely (as in, very very) successful. He had a work ethic like no one I had ever seen. He never took Sunday town liberty, just spent the day with the books. Saturday he would come over, watch sports, eat a good meal, stay overnight if he could, head back to the Yard by 0800. But he wanted Marine with an intensity and drive that powered his resolve, because he didn’t want to let down his Sgt Maj uncle who had injected devil dog into his bloodstream early on.
 
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