Not Something Too Many Who Frequent This Site Have To Worry Too Much About

Discussion in 'Publicly and Privately Funded Military Colleges' started by Lawman32RPD, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. Lawman32RPD

    Lawman32RPD 5-Year Member

    Jan 29, 2011
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    What follows below was taken from the CBSNews.Com site a few minutes ago (05 Sep 14). I don't think too many of the students, or their parents, who frequent this site feel like they are in the same position as many of the kids discussed in this story. I haven't read the book but I've seen it reviewed and discussed in a number of articles in the past week or so. Regardless of the institution that they are attending, most of the students who are attending these public and private schools are, to borrow from Frost, taken the path less traveled, and that is making all the difference. Keep it up, and as the other, more experienced and credentialed alumni of these schools have said in other posts, never quit. They are special young men and women who I grow to admire a bit more each day.

    Are colleges to blame for slackers?[/B]

    Many recent college graduates are struggling to become self-supporting adults, and their alma maters deserve some of the blame.

    That's the conclusion of a new book, "Aspiring Adults Adrift: Tentative Transitions of College Graduates," written by two sociologists who rocked the higher-education world in 2010 with blockbuster research that concluded that many students were learning next to nothing in college.

    Richard Arum of New York University and Josipa Roksa of the University of Virginia became household names in college circles several years ago when their original book, "Academically Adrift," indicted colleges for creating campus environments that coddle and entertain students rather than challenge them.

    The sociologists concluded that more than one in three college seniors were no better at writing, critical thinking and reasoning than they were as freshmen. In addition, many of the students who did grow intellectually showed only minor progress.

    In their latest research, Arum and Roska explored what happened to 1,000 of the 2,300 students they began studying as undergraduates in the mid 2000's. These young Americans graduated from a wide cross-section of four-year schools, including private liberal arts colleges, state universities and historically black universities, making them a representative sample.

    The findings are equally depressing, and seem to point to the generally poor educations many young people are getting in college. Among the lowlights:

    24 percent of the college graduates in the study sample were living with their parents

    74 percent of graduates were getting financial help from their families

    Only 47 percent of graduates in the labor market had full-time jobs that paid at least $30,000 a year

    23 percent of graduates in the labor market were unemployed or underemployed

    The researchers defined underemployed as working less than 20 hours per week or having a job where most employees have not completed at least one year of college. They also found that many recent graduates had difficulty developing stable romantic relationships and that they were not civically engaged.

    Arum and Roska lay a great deal of the blame for these grim statistics on colleges, arguing that the institutions have focused on offering fun rather than rigorous academics. In other words, schools simply don't require much from their students beyond making sure that somebody is paying their tab.

    "Rather than challenge students who come in with limited academic interests and overly narrow ideas about the purpose of college," the authors writte, "we too often ask little in terms of commitment and offer little in terms of direction."

    The co-authors suggest that schools can no longer be content with the status quo and instead must "collectively commit ourselves to raise academic standards, design rigorous curriculum program and work to improve instruction, advising and mentoring. This is in the best interest of our students, our institutions and society at large."

    Students who thrive

    There is some good news in the study.

    The students who did work harder in college and managed to improve in their writing and critical thinking skills have fared much better than the slackers.

    The researchers used a test called the Collegiate Learning Assessment to measure academic growth. Those with higher CLA scores were far less likely to be unemployed, while those with low scores were nearly twice as likely to lose the jobs they did find. Students who bombed on the test were also 50 percent more likely to be stuck in an unskilled job.

    Remarkably, these struggling graduates remained upbeat about their future prospects. Ninety-five percent of the graduates said that their lives would be the same or better than their parents.
  2. SGTLee

    SGTLee Member

    Jan 12, 2014
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    Good read

    Thanks Lawman for posting. I agree with many of the points and still remember my first day in a state university. The economics professor said "Some of you do not belong here.....many of you are simply going to college because attending class is all you know". I was also a AROTC cadet in their program and regular Army (SMP). Never heard such candid talk from a teacher before but you know what....he's was and is right. Thanks for posting and.....Gig 'em!

    SGT Lee

  3. payitforward

    payitforward Member

    Sep 18, 2013
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    Starting midway through 1st semester, I started volunteering for leadership roles in student organizations, culminating in eventually holding leadership jobs ranging from committee chair to president of a large fraternity. I still claim that the piece of paper on which my bachelor's degree is printed is what got me in the door at my job, to be sure. But what has kept me employed was the leadership experience, where I learned to manage people, to balance budgets, to write an agenda and stick to it as leader of meetings, to follow parliamentary procedure, to delegate, to raise funds, and to encourage membership growth.

    I see a similar pattern with the way cadets progress in leadership roles. If they take their jobs seriously, they gain extremely valuable experience that translates to the business world, not just to the military.

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