Not waiverable = the end?

TigerMomNot

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Hello, apologies for posting again today. My daughter got a letter from the Air Force that included the term "not waiverable." The letter does say that she should respond within 5 business days if she wants to try and submit more information, and she responded. She has also emailed Deputy Chief Mullen separately.

My own question is whether "not waiverable" means that there is no hope? It sounds that way from these forums, but I don't always understand what the terms really mean. I read the FAQs and other materials as suggested and still am not sure that I have actual understanding. It's like trying to learn a whole new language.

Just trying to set expectations - for myself!
 
There is an end of the road at some point, when all discussions, additional medical information and mitigating circumstances are fully examined in the case of a DQ, and in some instances, the waiver authority for that commissioning source in that service renders a final decision and does not waive the DQ finding. As evidenced by Mr. Mullen’s justly famed “processes” section on the DoDMERB website, they look for ways to get people in, as a general rule. As with many military decisions, they consider the current policy, the good of the service, the merits of the individual case, and the precedents in play.
 
It is 3:30 AM MST. I don’t recall an email like that late last nite and don’t have one now...
 
Remember, too, that some things are/arent waiverable for different routes (ie AFROTC). Or different communities (ie: Army vs AirForce).

I can add my oldest sons journey. DQ’ed for something that ultimately ended that SA route. But guess what? He is super happy living his happy and satisfied life in the ANG. Via Air Force. His issue was waived through MEPS. He is finishing up college, all paid. In a challenging and fulfilling MOS (is that the right word? His job). Top secret stuff he cannot tell us about. So that’s all pretty cool.

My point, is that there are many different ways to serve with honor. I remember receiving this devastating news myself. It’s crushing. Feeling like it was the end. Partly bc it was (for that piece), but also partly bc he had put so much into applying.

Doors and windows. There are so many different paths. And a DQ for one doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the line for a dream. It’s a hard pill to swallow if it does come to that, but it doesn’t have to be the end.
 
It is 3:30 AM MST. I don’t recall an email like that late last nite and don’t have one now...
@MullenLE Thanks for your response. She emailed you on December 20, 2020, and she emailed you again yesterday around 8pm Pacific; in both cases you responded promptly and forwarded her emails. She did not refer to my posts in her emails to you.

@Capt MJ @justdoit19 Thank you for your thoughts. It is hard not to feel very guilty about getting her medical attention that may now dash her dream of attending the AFA, especially now that she has a principal nomination. I have always been grateful for excellent health insurance and extensive access to medical care, but right now it seems that such things have put her at an extreme disadvantage or have completely doomed her prospects. I truly believe that if we lived elsewhere and had less means, she would not be in this situation.
 
Ahhhhh, that's why I didn't put 2 and 2 together. Thx :wiggle:
 
I’m team “don’t beat yourself up”. We always do what we think is best for our kids. Always from a place of love. And it’s MOST important that they are healthy. I hope this works out for y’all!
 
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@Capt MJ @justdoit19 Thank you for your thoughts. It is hard not to feel very guilty about getting her medical attention that may now dash her dream of attending the AFA, especially now that she has a principal nomination. I have always been grateful for excellent health insurance and extensive access to medical care, but right now it seems that such things have put her at an extreme disadvantage or have completely doomed her prospects. I truly believe that if we lived elsewhere and had less means, she would not be in this situation.
Your daughter’s health is paramount. Always.

Not knowing the details of the DQ condition - and not asking for them - the Services do have different waiver policies. The Services’ policies differ because missions, gear and operating environments differ. Mr. Mullen is in the best position to give her insights into other Service possibilities. Or it could be one of those DQs that is seldom or never waived.

Every year, we have applicants who realize their pursuit of military service must end for medical DQ reasons. There are still ways to serve the country.

Federal agencies departments, particularly the “ABC” ones, are eager to hire college grads who wish to serve the country in the area of national security. If you can’t be a “door-kicker” or operational field agent, you can have their backs as analysts and specialists in cyber and intelligence, in forensics, communications, logistics, operations planning and other critical fields.

Below I’ve pasted some info I have used here over the years, in the hope of shining a light toward other open doors.


You can find similar student internships, scholarships, and other programs for CIA and other major agencies. There are HS, college undergraduate and post-grad programs.

Federal service offers excellent benefits and education opportunities, plus the ability to move around in search of promotions or between agencies and departments. One of our USNA sponsor daughters had a younger sister who was a math whiz, varsity athlete, all-around scholar who would have been very competitive for SA or ROTC scholarship, but her Crohn’s DQ’ed her. She majored in Applied Mathematics at a very good school, took advantage of one of the programs above and did paid work for them in the summer, and she was hired 4 days after she graduated college. She is now doing highly classified work for that agency, and starting a fully paid for Master’s at a prestigious university.

If the USAFA door is firmly closed, look around for doors and windows in other shapes and sizes which also lead to service to the country.
 
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IRS investigator, Secret Service, Dept of the Interior, State Dept, state agencies, the list of places to do law enforcement or other govt service is almost literally endless. Unless your DD was hoping for something specific (like flight) there are plenty of new places to consider. They may not have the cool cathedral or mountain location, but once she was in the Air Force she was going to be seeing a lot more North Dakota and west Texas than the AFA campus anyway. Encourage the long view, and good luck.
 
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