phase 1 SS cadre

Thank you all for your responses. She (we) definitely have watched all the videos and she does know a lot of what to expect at Swab summer. She knows yelling is the norm. The element of yelling in a small space is the part she is most worried about.

On a side note, I had thought one of the lessons learned during COVID was that less yelling meant greater retention during SWAB summer --- and I thought I had read CGA had adopted that approach moving forward.
Make sure your daughter checks out YouTube for USCG Boot Camp. The videos are of enlisted at Cape May, NJ, the only place enlisted have for boot camp. These are the people that she would command some day. It gives a better picture of what the USCG does to intentionally create stressful situations.

Your daughter is considering joining a life saving service. People will be in the water because their boat sank, trying to just keep their head up and survive the worst day of their life, yelling at her, “SAVE ME, SAVE ME!” She MUST perform under stress in that moment, and CANNOT have a panic attack.
 
How would you be in a position to know that, BigDinnerDude?
Class of 2024 was smaller to begin with. I believe they had 272 at the start of swab summer (including foreign cadets). They only lost 8-9 during swab summer, but they have had almost 40 more choose to leave or been disenrolled since then. However, there are several cadets from the class of 2023 who will have to repeat 1/c year for various reasons so their class size is going to grow a bit next year.
 
Two separate issues, attrition during Swab summer and attrition during the 4 year academy experience:

Most of the Swab summer attrition is cadets dropping by request (DOR), not being washed out. The Cadet Battalion staff oversee the summer attrition issues, not the Cadre who are essentially the front line trainers. For most concerns the cadet receives progressive counseling allowing them time to improve. Honor violations are also taken very seriously. Don't lie or cheat, and your summer will go much better.

Kids show up overweight, unable to run the mile and a half, colorblind, etc. Those issues are addressed with some being allowed to improve and others discharged. There are always a few random unfortunate medical issues like appendicitis, that have nothing to do with training but just happen and would have happened anywhere the cadet attended. The first week or so, it is just yelling, no pushups etc. until everyone clears medical screening. Around the second week when everyone is past medical, the push-ups start, but by then, you have already got the hang of the basics and are making less mistakes. The physical training sole purpose is to improve your PFE score so you successfully complete Swab summer.

Now for attrition during the school year, it is always present. Everything from medical, to low GPA, to conduct and discipline, honor violations, criminal conduct, and drug use. The cadets are young and like any cross-section of 275 people, now matter how well screened, there will be incidents. The key is to break it down into innings, like baseball. First, get accepted, next successfully navigate swab summer, next realize you are now in college and don't tank your GPA freshman (1/c) year, and so on. Each year the class will get smaller until graduation. The strict covid protocols were difficult for all and extremely difficult for some. There is so little freedom the first three years, that when senior 1/c year comes, some let loose a little too much, and get in to trouble. There is also a good amount of kids admitted to an engineering degree, who for a variety of reasons struggle and they begin the process of changing majors and attending summer school or transfer to less technical majors putting themselves in a better position to be successful. At least 3-7 each year take an extra semester or two to graduate, mainly due to GPA issues.

Spoke to a few 2023 cadets and to the person, they all regretted not prioritizing their GPA freshman year which came back to haunt them on billet night. Freshman 4/c year chemistry, calculus, physics and statics are especially tough. The academy operates in phases, understand what phase you are in and the expectations that go with that phase.

It's a journey. Many have done it before you. The academy has operated for over 100 years, they know what they are doing. Take it one day at a time and enjoy the good days. If you are really lucky, there will be a person struggling tremendously in your platoon who will soak up the cadre attention and make your individual life easier. Be happy to have this person, and try to say a kind word to them when you can, as they tend to end up being some of the most interesting people you will work with and they did you a favor by being a cadre magnet for a while. Everyone struggles in some area or another, try to help a shipmate out and you will be rewarded.

Good luck!
 
👍 Curious as to what makes you say that? My daughter said week 3 Echo started with 32 and by Monday or Tuesday was down to 26 I believe.
My point of view might be a bit biased, but we were IT'd almost every single day. Other than that I really couldn't remember anything else since it was routine at that point. I had a fun time at AIM and definitely made a bunch of friends.
 
My DD attended AIM. During AIM, they underwent a 'punishment' in which they went into a room and held a water bottle out in front of them while the cadre yelled and the platoon yelled the same phrase repeatedly. A few people fainted. The echoing of voices in the small space made my daughter have a panic attack, and she was escorted out of the training environment by the cadre. She returned to her platoon after a few hours.

Her biggest concern right now is that this will happen repeatedly in Swab summer. The problem was the amplification of noise in the small space. Is this a normal 'punishment'?
When I relayed this to my 4c she laughed and said “that’s not punishment that’s think position and swab summer is loud in close quarters all day everyday”

Like others have mentioned the ability to perform tasks while in stressful crisis situations is the very basis of functional requirements for this service. These type training scenarios are part of the big picture of training members of a service who may respond to some of life’s worst disasters.

I would encourage some real soul searching, I don’t like discouraging anyone from the academy but it’s wise to really consider all the angles. Some of the most miserable 4c s my daughter knows came because of parental pressure, came because they didn’t get into the academy for another branch, came because it “was free” … it’s just not for everyone and that takes some maturity to assess and admit at age 18/19 since it is such an honorable and valuable opportunity.

Best of luck in her decision
 
Well said. If the AIM intro was too much, perhaps this isn't the right path for her. To answer the initial question, I would absolutely have her expect yelling in small spaces during Swab Summer. Yelling from the Cadre and yelling from the Swabs. Anywhere and everywhere. All.summer.long.
LOL So much yelling your swabs "voice" will change/disappear and you will wonder if it will ever return. It does after swab summer, but yes yelling and swab summer definitely co-exist.
 
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