Principal Nom
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Principal Nom and 3Q --very good. Look at it this way, if a MOC says this is my #1 pick, and that person is qualified, then USNA is unlikely to say no.
That said, if not 3Q --which includes CFA and Medical, the principal nom doesn't help.
That said, if not 3Q --which includes CFA and Medical, the principal nom doesn't help.
Congrats on the appointment for your DS! My DS also received a nom for USNA from Iowa. He was not notified of principal vs competitive nature for his slate. Do you mind sharing which MOC gave your DS the principal slot?
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Be advised some MOCs do not use Principle Noms. You can ask your MOC staff rep. how the slate is presented to USNA and if the MOC uses a Principle Nom. But at the end of the day...one still must be 3Q. You can read on this forum about the 3 basic types of slates MOCs can use.
Thank you for that information. This website is a fantastic resource to learn about what is a fairly obfuscated process to the uninitiated and I've read much of the info on how the slates work. My (self-interested) question was an attempt to find out if the DS @IowaGuy was nominated on the same slate as my DS, as that obviously has an effect on the chances for an appointment.
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It will be interesting to hear what one or two very expierenced BGO's say about this question. I suspect they are really not comparable. The BGO rating is only one factor for Admissions.
A BGO rating of top 5% has to be signed off by the AC. I don’t think it will get someone in to USNA, but definitely is a positive. Although per US Code, USNA is not required to offer an appt to a qualified (you must be 3Q) + principle nom candidate, it is rare not to. We saw it a few years ago when there was some redistricting, lots of turnover in some MOC seats and multiple slates going in, and some other weird nuances. But, we really haven’t seen it (at least on this forum) since that odd year. Bottom line, none of us know.
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I would venture to say that most MOC don't use the Principle Nom..they get more goodwill by nominating 10 candidates and making Admissions choose who wins the slate. Also, many MOC recognize that USNA Admissions is better suited to make these decisions.
Really apples and oranges.... in a perfect world, a true 5% er would be a good candidate for a Principle Nom, but we've all seen really good candidates not even get a Nom. Most of the times I've seen a 5% er, I would say their records are good enough that they would get in regardless of how I rated them (excepting of course if the BGO interview was really bad).
You can go crazy worrying about the other guy's nomination/appointment. Concentrate on what you can control...your own application. Yes, the process is "obfuscated to the uninitiated" and also complicated to some who have done it for 20 years, but there is really little benefit to trying to understand all of the nuances of the process, as (with the exception of a few hard and fast rules) there are exceptions to everything you hear and see here.,
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Don’t draw your own inferences, from this posters situation. Where an appointee ultimately is CHARGED may or may not be this ‘principal’ slate. Or the other senators slate. This person could be charged to one of the nom sources that USNA controls. Or not.
The masters behind the controls remind me of The Hungar Games gamemasters….moving pawns (appointees) around until they are able to get the class they are building.
Nominations vs charged is a whole different ballgame that we not privy to. But, what it means to you, is that just becasuse this candidate received an appointmnet, does not equate to your DD/DS not.
Until you are told ‘no’ by USNA? You are in the game.
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No problem
Axne district 3, informed of principal status via email in December
Also received senatorial to USNA
Not sure which slate USNA is using—no call from MOC
Thank you for the info! Mine got a Hinson nom and one from a Senator as well. Congrats again to your DS!
Thank you for posting this. One of the many great comments I've seen on this issue throughout the forum.
In reading through the many pages regarding this topic, it is clear from many people's experiences that until a candidate is declined, there is still hope for an appointment. Especially in this case where both applicants have multiple nominations, another candidate on the slate of a MOC being principal and receiving an appointment would not be conclusive of a rejection. It would however narrow the path to appointment a bit as one of the available appointment slots had been filled.
Regardless, the advice of this board is still very valid. Keep working. Address plans B, C, and D. Control what you can control and stay positive.
That advice is great for life in general, I think.