Question about Disciplinary PT

[bpoythress]

Hi everyone,

After accepting my appointment, I've been researching, visiting, and discussing the Academy with lots of people to get a feel for what to expect while there. A question has become ever more nagging in my mind: what kind of disciplinary action can we expect? I understand hazing has been cracked down upon with ungodly force. Does this mean we've lost disciplinary physical training and five cadre yelling in someone's face for missing a spot while shaving as well?

I may be the odd one out, but one of the reasons I've wanted a military career for so long is the disciplinary aspect (push-ups for the whole squadron because someone left trash in the hallway, etc.) Does this environment still exist at USAFA, or has it been lumped in with hazing and sent away? It's always been my impression that this kind of discipline breeds a unique camaraderie and team spirit that's hard to come by otherwise. Is anyone able to shed some light on this?

Thanks!
- BP

 

[USAF463]

I haven't seen anyone cleaning the marble on the Tso with a toothbrush lately.

 

[CadCandMateus]

Yes it still happens... I would hope. (Back when it was hard...)

*Not the Tso cleaning

 

[USAFA83GradWife]

Well, from what I've heard from a reliable source, the "beatings" and yelling continues. Beatings = physical training. I really don't think you have to worry about that.

 

[zachtx]

BCT is filled with more "disciplinary PT" than you could ever hope for. However, the school year training philosophy has changed this year from previous ones. And while it does depend on the squadron, beat down training sessions are less common than before. Granted this is just what I have witnessed in my squadron and the ones around me, but I imagine it is similar in the rest of the wing.

 

[USAFA83GradWife]

It *is* squadron specific. There are some squadrons who are very much into the beat sessions for disciplinary action (at least last semester).

 

[USMCGrunt]

one of the reasons I've wanted a military career for so long is the disciplinary aspect (push-ups for the whole squadron because someone left trash in the hallway, etc.)

BP: I appreciate your perspective at this point in time, but as you get into the military I expect you will find that the redeeming qualities from what you describe as the "disciplinary aspect" are accountability, responsibility, attention to detail, unit cohesion, and so much more as opposed to the punishment itself.

Disciplinary does not equal discipline