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Best advice to 2016 New cadets and their parents:
I was one of those parents (my son Class of 2015 - Company I-3) who tried to "War Game" and overthink EVERYTHING
MY ADVICE -RELAX
1. Buy the EXTRA items WP suggests and no more-you could go to WP with the clothes on your back (plus properly fitting broken-in boots and shoes) and be ok
2. Buy the computer and accessories WP suggest and no more and no less
3. Do not worry about the Plebe system, laundry duties etc
4. Be in great physical shape with a positive frame-of-mind
5. Enjoy your last months before WP but - stay out of trouble
Parents - I know you want to give your New Cadet son or daughter every advantage but if you just back-off and relax they will be just fine.
 
Buried in all the "I talked to my cadet and they said...." and "the corps has.... in my day we......" posts above are some very good points.

Just recognize:
  • Like most things West Point, it's probably directionally accurate, but not not be specifically accurate for your squad/company/year/barracks/chain of command
  • The individual details won't make a big difference
  • It's probably OK to plan, but if it crosses into worry/fretting it's not productive
  • You could show up with nothing physically and still get through CBT. That does not mean you will be happy you did, but it can be done

As stated a dozen times in various forms, anything critical you'll be issued, can buy at the cadet store, or can be requested via letter.

So does that mean you should not prepare? Absolutely not, it's just a different form of preparation. Talk to a large sample of cadets and cadre and you'll find some common themes around preparation:

  • Don't start sleeping in when school is out. Staying on your school schedule will make the transition to CBT much easier with less sleep deprivation
  • Keep training.... you'll want to max the APFT if possible, and don't ignore the other exercises. The standards are published, and remember maxing it is just an A-. And you'll need that to offset your C+/B- DPE grades. Which impacts your cadet rank
  • Attitude makes difference. Be flexible, it will be different every day. You won't know the plan. The plan will change. Help your squaddies, even if they annoy you. Don't be a "Blue Falcon". All common sense stuff, but there are those in every squad who don't.
  • Boots and Low Quarters matter... there is a reason WP has you get them ahead of time, lists specific models, suggests fit, and has you break them in.

Unlike most appointee issues, these are entirely in your control. And make a difference....

Ex: Poor boot/shoe fit -> Blisters -> drags your squad down -> lower APFT -> Lower Mil Grade / Physical grade -> Lower 1st semester cadet rank -> Worse MIAD options / leadership options (PPW, etc)

Same for fitness, same for sleep schedule. And for sure attitude.

Does getting a blister lock you out of opportunities or doom you to low cadet rank? Absolutely not. Can not getting blisters or becoming a profile ranger help in the above? For sure.

And there are perks as well. Helicopter rides for the top platoon or company, etc. You want to be part of that!

No one is miserable in CBT because they forgot a lighter. Many are miserable because they can't keep up due to fitness or blisters.

And sometimes that's hard to recover from as your rep in CBT does continue to a certain extent though your plebe year. I know of cadets still trying to recover from being labled a profile ranger in CBT. Not just by squaddies, but also by their chain of command.

Every year there are plebes who did not get the MIAD they wanted due to cadet rank or did not get a pass because they were too low on APFT. I hear from their parents and the cadets themselves at times. A certain amount of that is just part of the system. But you want to hedge your bets if at all possible.

So in your natural desire to plan, start working on the things that do matter. The rest will sort itself out. (Though having your favorite underwear brand rather than issue is also a common yuk recommendation to appointees) :smile:
 
is it possible to arrange plane tickets and/or the Carlson Wagonlit Package so that you could travel with another candidate that you know?
 
This is a completely theoretical question, but if you were to get a C in an AP class your final semester of high school, could that get your appointment taken away?
 
This is a completely theoretical question, but if you were to get a C in an AP class your final semester of high school, could that get your appointment taken away?

Pretty sure that the answer to that is no. I got a C in BC Calc my second sem senior year and nothing happened. I was taking that course at a local community college too

But its no excuse to not try your best in everything...just that I wouldn't be too worried about it if it happens!
 
For those who attended after a year spent at college, do the credits transfer? I have heard no but just wanted to make sure. Does your GPA start over or are you basically starting from scratch?
 
Might want to doublecheck that...my roommate first semester plebe year went to college for a year - he had almost all his stuff transfer and was taking several harder classes than the rest of us

Oops, I think you're right.

Didn't notice the underlined:

If you are a high school student who is currently taking or has already taken single variable calculus (Calc I or Calc II) then you may be able to validate single variable calculus and enroll in the Advanced Core Mathematics Program at West Point. For more information on this opportunity, follow this link.

http://www.dean.usma.edu/departments/math/courses/MA103/ProspectiveStudents/CandidateWeb.htm
 
To clarify on this "credits" do not transfer. Everyone must take the same minimum number of credits to graduate. However, classes taken in college (as well as some college level classes taken in HS) will let you test out of lower level classes.
 
Buried in all the "I talked to my cadet and they said...." and "the corps has.... in my day we......" posts above are some very good points.

Just recognize:
  • Like most things West Point, it's probably directionally accurate, but not not be specifically accurate for your squad/company/year/barracks/chain of command
  • The individual details won't make a big difference
  • It's probably OK to plan, but if it crosses into worry/fretting it's not productive
  • You could show up with nothing physically and still get through CBT. That does not mean you will be happy you did, but it can be done

As stated a dozen times in various forms, anything critical you'll be issued, can buy at the cadet store, or can be requested via letter.

So does that mean you should not prepare? Absolutely not, it's just a different form of preparation. Talk to a large sample of cadets and cadre and you'll find some common themes around preparation:

  • Don't start sleeping in when school is out. Staying on your school schedule will make the transition to CBT much easier with less sleep deprivation
  • Keep training.... you'll want to max the APFT if possible, and don't ignore the other exercises. The standards are published, and remember maxing it is just an A-. And you'll need that to offset your C+/B- DPE grades. Which impacts your cadet rank
  • Attitude makes difference. Be flexible, it will be different every day. You won't know the plan. The plan will change. Help your squaddies, even if they annoy you. Don't be a "Blue Falcon". All common sense stuff, but there are those in every squad who don't.
  • Boots and Low Quarters matter... there is a reason WP has you get them ahead of time, lists specific models, suggests fit, and has you break them in.

Unlike most appointee issues, these are entirely in your control. And make a difference....

Ex: Poor boot/shoe fit -> Blisters -> drags your squad down -> lower APFT -> Lower Mil Grade / Physical grade -> Lower 1st semester cadet rank -> Worse MIAD options / leadership options (PPW, etc)

Same for fitness, same for sleep schedule. And for sure attitude.

Does getting a blister lock you out of opportunities or doom you to low cadet rank? Absolutely not. Can not getting blisters or becoming a profile ranger help in the above? For sure.

And there are perks as well. Helicopter rides for the top platoon or company, etc. You want to be part of that!

No one is miserable in CBT because they forgot a lighter. Many are miserable because they can't keep up due to fitness or blisters.

And sometimes that's hard to recover from as your rep in CBT does continue to a certain extent though your plebe year. I know of cadets still trying to recover from being labled a profile ranger in CBT. Not just by squaddies, but also by their chain of command.

Every year there are plebes who did not get the MIAD they wanted due to cadet rank or did not get a pass because they were too low on APFT. I hear from their parents and the cadets themselves at times. A certain amount of that is just part of the system. But you want to hedge your bets if at all possible.

So in your natural desire to plan, start working on the things that do matter. The rest will sort itself out. (Though having your favorite underwear brand rather than issue is also a common yuk recommendation to appointees) :smile:

Great post, hawk. I know I read it back a few weeks ago but never replied and meant to. Thanks for providing the proper perspective.
 
My apologies if these questions have been asked before.

#1 Is it ok to bring a backpack to R-day instead of a duffel bag?
#2 What is the process for getting into the Sandhurst program?
 
1. My son brought a small sports bag; bare minimum to hold the stuff he brought for R-Day. Consult your instructions for R-Day.
2. Son has been Sandhurst for plebe and yearling years. Each company will offer tryouts and pick the team that will go forward. It's an alternative for company athletics.
 
So on the calendar it says that Thanksgiving break starts on the 22nd. But on the calendar it also says that classes end at 1pm on the 21st. Does that mean that the cadets can leave to go home after classes on the 21st? Because my family is already trying to buy plane tickets and they don't think that the school would send us out on the day of Thanksgiving...

Thanks!
 
So on the calendar it says that Thanksgiving break starts on the 22nd. But on the calendar it also says that classes end at 1pm on the 21st. Does that mean that the cadets can leave to go home after classes on the 21st? Because my family is already trying to buy plane tickets and they don't think that the school would send us out on the day of Thanksgiving...

Thanks!

Yes
 
On long weekends and breaks, cadets are allowed to leave by the TAC officers after their last duty, usually the lunch formation for the day before the weekend if they have no afternoon classes.
 
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