Rejected today

NHSMK said:
Sorry to hear this -but admire your perseverance! Can I ask, were you 3 Q'd?
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Nope I was not. I didn't do many pullups on the cfa and unfortunately I think that was probably one of the reasons on top of a kinda lame sat score
 
So agree with everything you have stated about MMI. I have a DD there now, self- prep and hoping for an appointment.
 
Precise101 said:
My DS went to MMI last year.

Marion Military Institute has a good track record with USMA and the director of the program has very close connections with WP. MMI has about a 50% acceptance rate and there are minimum requirements to get in their Service Academy Program. (This is good though because MMI won't take you in their SAP program if they don't think you have a chance of getting in a service academy so it can help you make a decision regarding your next step.) MMI does offer scholarships to any student who meets ACT/SAT minimum scores. This can reduce tuition by 50% - 75%.

They offered full day, Saturday, SAT/ACT prep classes which I heard were loads of fun after being in classes all week! The students take 5, college credit, classes and military training and there are a whole lot of rules to follow!

MMI also has many students who are AOG scholarship students for WP. These are students who didn't get in WP but the Association of Graduates grant them a full tuition scholarship to a civil prep school. There are students at MMI with these types of scholarships from all the service academies - about 50% of students at MMI are students with these scholarships from service academies. These students, unless they mess up terribly, will get in their service academy. The other students, which is what you would be, are considered "self-sponsored" and have to work a whole lot harder. To be competitive to get accepted SAP self-sponsored students need over s 3.5 GPA.

Lastly MMI's rate of acceptance to a service academy for "self - sponsored" students was about 60% last year which is a whole lot better than the overall 10% acceptance rate that prep-scholar publishes for WP.

And ... my DS went there and worked hard, really hard. The courses were difficult and they didn't dumb them down or ease the students into them -plus there was physical training at 5:40 in the morning. He did well and heard from WP a few weeks ago - He will be in the class of 2025.

Having a second chance is an amazing opportunity but it takes dedication and a lot of work. That said, I am sure that anyone who goes to MMI and then to a service academy is significantly more prepared than a student coming right out of high school. I'd go as far as to say anyone who goes to MMI will be more prepared for whatever they do next!
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Thanks for the great information.

I've been searching the web and I just can't find an answer to this question: how many years is the SAP program, one or two?
 
Hoppy said:
I have emailed him a lot... he never responds to me🤣
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That is unfortunate. Use it as a learning experience when the time comes that you are the one someone is seeking feedback from.

Some believe in Karma, some in the Law of Large Numbers. If you treat people with same respect you would like to receive, eventually one of those people will be in a position to help you, and may even do so without your knowing it. The reverse is also true regarding treating people poorly.
 
sc14 said:
Thanks for the great information.

I've been searching the web and I just can't find an answer to this question: how many years is the SAP program, one or two?
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The SAP program is one year at all prep schools (besides NWP); ECP is two years.
 
Precise101 said:
My DS went to MMI last year.

Marion Military Institute has a good track record with USMA and the director of the program has very close connections with WP. MMI has about a 50% acceptance rate and there are minimum requirements to get in their Service Academy Program. (This is good though because MMI won't take you in their SAP program if they don't think you have a chance of getting in a service academy so it can help you make a decision regarding your next step.) MMI does offer scholarships to any student who meets ACT/SAT minimum scores. This can reduce tuition by 50% - 75%.

They offered full day, Saturday, SAT/ACT prep classes which I heard were loads of fun after being in classes all week! The students take 5, college credit, classes and military training and there are a whole lot of rules to follow!

MMI also has many students who are AOG scholarship students for WP. These are students who didn't get in WP but the Association of Graduates grant them a full tuition scholarship to a civil prep school. There are students at MMI with these types of scholarships from all the service academies - about 50% of students at MMI are students with these scholarships from service academies. These students, unless they mess up terribly, will get in their service academy. The other students, which is what you would be, are considered "self-sponsored" and have to work a whole lot harder. To be competitive to get accepted SAP self-sponsored students need over s 3.5 GPA.

Lastly MMI's rate of acceptance to a service academy for "self - sponsored" students was about 60% last year which is a whole lot better than the overall 10% acceptance rate that prep-scholar publishes for WP.

And ... my DS went there and worked hard, really hard. The courses were difficult and they didn't dumb them down or ease the students into them -plus there was physical training at 5:40 in the morning. He did well and heard from WP a few weeks ago - He will be in the class of 2025.

Having a second chance is an amazing opportunity but it takes dedication and a lot of work. That said, I am sure that anyone who goes to MMI and then to a service academy is significantly more prepared than a student coming right out of high school. I'd go as far as to say anyone who goes to MMI will be more prepared for whatever they do next!
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I am a MMI Grad (ECP not SAP) and thought it was a great experience...
 
As a 2nd reapplicant, I recommend coming to Greystone Preparatory School at the University of the Ozarks. It prepares young adults for reapplying to the academies while also taking college courses that are transferable to other universities if you decide to not attend an academy the next year. I was rejected my first time around too, and Greystone has prepared me for this coming year and a commission into the military. I highly recommend Greystone Preparatory School.
 
If you believe you know why you were short...then you have your answer. Life is long, there are many doors that open, sometimes by you kicking them in yourself. My son just got in, but his backup was Greystone Prep School at Univ. of the Ozarks. You should look, not only do you get college level credits if the Academy doesn't work out, but also they specifically work with you daily on PT and study hall and SAT prep. This is called "Self Prep", and I believe it shows significant commitment to stay the course. I cannot give you advice on your total application, but at Greystone they will see and evaluate your essays, your applicant interview practice sessions, and if you are committed they are a reference. I believe David Bailey is the head, and he went through Prep and then USNA, but supports all of the Academy applications processes. Some athletes that need prep will go there as well.

Remember, failing does not make you a "failure" unless you choose to quit. If you have the ability to evaluate, adapt and overcome ..... that shows USMA Admissions of your dedication, and only you can do that.
 
JasonM said:
If you believe you know why you were short...then you have your answer. Life is long, there are many doors that open, sometimes by you kicking them in yourself. My son just got in, but his backup was Greystone Prep School at Univ. of the Ozarks. You should look, not only do you get college level credits if the Academy doesn't work out, but also they specifically work with you daily on PT and study hall and SAT prep. This is called "Self Prep", and I believe it shows significant commitment to stay the course. I cannot give you advice on your total application, but at Greystone they will see and evaluate your essays, your applicant interview practice sessions, and if you are committed they are a reference. I believe David Bailey is the head, and he went through Prep and then USNA, but supports all of the Academy applications processes. Some athletes that need prep will go there as well.

Remember, failing does not make you a "failure" unless you choose to quit. If you have the ability to evaluate, adapt and overcome ..... that shows USMA Admissions of your dedication, and only you can do that.
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Thank you for that thoughtful anwser. I have a great deal at umass with financial aid and I have reached out to their rotc office so I believe I will likely be there next year. Their arotc office told me they get lots of reapplicants for usma and most gain admission, so that's my plan for now. But I will check out Greystone as well.
 
GSNumber4.0 said:
As a 2nd reapplicant, I recommend coming to Greystone Preparatory School at the University of the Ozarks. It prepares young adults for reapplying to the academies while also taking college courses that are transferable to other universities if you decide to not attend an academy the next year. I was rejected my first time around too, and Greystone has prepared me for this coming year and a commission into the military. I highly recommend Greystone Preparatory School.
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What is the tuition?
 
jl123 said:
That is unfortunate. Use it as a learning experience when the time comes that you are the one someone is seeking feedback from.

Some believe in Karma, some in the Law of Large Numbers. If you treat people with same respect you would like to receive, eventually one of those people will be in a position to help you, and may even do so without your knowing it. The reverse is also true regarding treating people poorly.
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Yea i think your right. I understand it's a busy time of year however my rc has said multiple times "email me with any questions!" So the fact he hasn't responded to multiple emails and follow ups is quite annoying.
 
EEBTTF said:
I like the attitude. First thing is to take a step back and reflect on your application and try and develop a plan of attack to address where you fell short. I wouldn't worry about what parts carry over because you were not selected, so focus on a fresh start. (DoDMERB is good for 2 years I think).

This forum is filled with threads with stats on people that earned appointments. Read them and figure out where you may have come up short. You have plenty of time, so don't rush into the application.

Good luck and I admire you wanting to take another shot at WP!
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Thanks for your kind words. I'm not taking no for an anwser!
 
jl123 said:
Join ROTC and take courses that mimic a Plebe schedule: English Composition, STEM Math, STEM Physics/Chemistry. Obviously you have to meet the requirements for you major and may not be able to completely take a Plebe schedule, but good grades in these courses will impress the academic board.

Many Cadets get appointed from college after being rejected in high school. USMA looks very favorably upon reapplicants. The added maturity is a factor and grades in college courses are much better indicators of academic potential for USMA than high school courses.

Contact your RC and get feedback on what areas you need to improve. This is the admissions officer who calculated your WCS score this year (and will probably do so next year) and knows exactly what you need to improve.
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Thanks for the advice. I plan on taking as many classes as I can to prep for the curriculum at usma however as you stated I had my major in business so im not sure how much of that I will be able to do. I'm still deciding on what college I'll be at next year anyways
 
Heatherg21 said:
I really respect the get back on the horse attitude. Kudos to you for sure. Possibly, if you don’t get an email from tour RC reach out to admissions (possibly after May 1 when they aren’t so busy) and ask for an honest appraisal of your application.
Make sure you take a plebe like schedule and excel. Make efforts to create authentic relationships with your college instructors. They will have to evaluate you.
While ROTC can be an additional source of nomination, don’t forget to apply to ALL sources of nomination available to you.

Our DS’s roomie at SA is a college reapplicatant. He brings maturity, wisdom, time management and real adult life experience to the table.
I wish you luck and hope you can bring those skills and assets to West Point next year.
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Thank you! I'll need all the luck I can get
 
sc14 said:
Thanks for the great information.

I've been searching the web and I just can't find an answer to this question: how many years is the SAP program, one or two?
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It's one year .... except if you go in with very low SAT/ACT scores they may recommend a two year plan.
 
Stars&Stripes said:
Hoping Coast Guard and West Point...and your son?
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He was 100% West Point but did do the USCGA application. Has your daughter heard anything yet? I don't think coast guard has notified the regular admission students from MMI yet but I know WP has notified quite a few.
 
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