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Hello.
my son is in the NROTC. We were looking for more gouge and some sites mentioned sailorbob as a good source of SWO info.
the registration site is asking for a 4 digit SWO designator that matches his rank of midn. Anyone know what this is?
Thanks
 
Officer warfare specialties all have 4-digit designators. When an officer earns their SWO qual and is given the SWO insignia to wear, they become 1110. I think before that they are 1160. Midshipmen, as far as I know, do not have designators.
 
Officer warfare specialties all have 4-digit designators. When an officer earns their SWO qual and is given the SWO insignia to wear, they become 1110. I think before that they are 1160. Midshipmen, as far as I know, do not have designators.
Thank you. Tried both numbers you gave. Failed.
Can anyone on sailorbob or someone who’s recently registered, talk me through the registration? It shouldn’t be this difficult.
 
Thank you. Tried both numbers you gave. Failed.
Can anyone on sailorbob or someone who’s recently registered, talk me through the registration? It shouldn’t be this difficult.
That is because those designators cannot be associated with the rank of midshipman.

I have never heard of the site, which means nothing about its value. I’ll go look at it. All kinds of personal blogs and unofficial sites out there these days.

If he is looking for a primary source about the career path, there is:

 
That is because those designators cannot be associated with the rank of midshipman.

I have never heard of the site, which means nothing about its value. I’ll go look at it. All kinds of personal blogs and unofficial sites out there these days.

If he is looking for a primary source about the career path, there is:

Sailorbob is a site that was created quite a while ago as sort of an answer to the Navy Sponsored "SWONET" which is now defunct. It has a wide mix of rank but these days tends more toward the upper range and there are flags who post and others that are known to lurk. Well over 6K registered users. Lots of professional/SWO discussions plus a wide range of other "stuff" although no big bacon threads.

To the OP,if you're talking about the designator question at the bottom as shown below, the answer is 1110. I fail to see any mention of a designator for your current rank, it is the basic SWO designator.
If that does not work, something else is not right and you should keep trying.

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Ah! I knew SWOnet and fell away from it a while ago. Fun new name and site. I’ll have to explore further.

I scoured the MILPERSMAN for any designator digits associated with “midshipman,” didn’t find any. I also looked at the site’s fine print and FAQs, didn’t find anything. Let’s hope someone pops up with the magic wand.
 
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Ah! I knew SWOnet and fell away from it a while ago. Fun new name and site. I’ll have to explore further.

I scoured the MILPERSMAN for any designator digits associated with “midshipman,” didn’t find any. I also looked at the site’s fine print and FAQs, didn’t find anything. Let’s hope someone pops up with the magic wand.
Thank you and OldRetSwo! Still no succes but I appreciate your efforts.
 
That is because those designators cannot be associated with the rank of midshipman.

I have never heard of the site, which means nothing about its value. I’ll go look at it. All kinds of personal blogs and unofficial sites out there these days.

If he is looking for a primary source about the career path, there is:

My son and I were looking for more of the unofficial stuff like quality of life; the good, bad and uglies?? SWO vs SWO(N) ? Stuff like this.
 
One thing is true - everyone experiences the time in uniform differently, influenced by their personality type, biases, work ethic, and all the other factors we use to evaluate “the good, the bad, the ugly.” One person’s good is another’s bad. Until you are actually at sea, on the bridge, standing watch, or running your division or doing any of the hundreds of other things that make up a day (and often a night) during an operational tour, you don’t know what it’s like from reading about it.

Oddly, it can often be an exhausting, I-hate-this experience, but when stuck at a desk in a cube at the Pentagon, all you can think about is being back on the bridge wing on a moonless night, thousands of miles from anywhere, watching the phosphorescent trail in the ship’s wake and looking into the endless vast glitter of stars overhead, with a cool salt breeze on your face and listening to the wash of the ocean as the ship pushes and rocks through the waves on her course. You can love, like, loathe, tolerate life as a SWO or any community, sometimes all in the same day!

As with any military specialty area, there are cycles of relative satisfaction, strong retention, followed by cycles of dissatisfaction with QOL, deployment lengths, training, optempo, career opportunities, leadership, etc.

I encourage you to read sailorbob and other sources, but with a balanced eye and open mind.

Here are other true things. Active duty and veterans, whether separated or retired, almost always have opinions on how things used to be done, shouldn’t be done or should be done. That has been true at least since Noah last cruised on USS ARK.
 
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One thing is true - everyone experiences the time in uniform differently, influenced by their personality type, biases, work ethic, and all the other factors we use to evaluate “the good, the bad, the ugly.” One person’s good is another’s bad. Until you are actually at sea, on the bridge, standing watch, or running your division or doing any of the hundreds of other things that make up a day (and often a night) during an operational tour, you don’t know what it’s like from reading about it.

Oddly, it can often be an exhausting, I-hate-this experience, but when stuck at a desk in a cube at the Pentagon, all you can think about is being back on the bridge wing on a moonless night, thousands of miles from anywhere, watching the phosphorescent trail in the ship’s wake and looking into the endless vast glitter of stars overhead, with a cool salt breeze on your face and listening to the wash of the ocean as the ship pushes and rocks through the waves on her course. You can love, like, loathe, tolerate life as a SWO or any community, sometimes all in the same day!

As with any military specialty area, there are cycles of relative satisfaction, strong retention, followed by cycles of dissatisfaction with QOL, deployment lengths, training, optempo, career opportunities, leadership, etc.

I encourage you to read sailorbob and other sources, but with a balanced eye and open mind.

Here are other true things. Active duty and veterans, whether separated or retired, almost always have opinions on how things used to be done, shouldn’t be done or should be done. That has been true at least since Noah last cruised on USS ARK.
100% agree with all you say. In fact, all that you said applies to life, in general. I’m hoping others might be able to jump in with anecdotal info, as well.
I really appreciate your insight and thought-full answer.
Here’s a separate question for you- assuming that 5 years commitment is the plan (subject to change, of course) what are the benefits of SWO nuke vs regular SWO? Thoughts?
 
Both are good paths, but slightly different, to command at sea. The nuclear path, understandably, is going to be more engineering, nuclear power plant and schoolhouse-centric. Career fields in the civilian world related to power plants and nuclear engineering will be viable paths after separation or retirement. The folks who go any flavor of nuke tend to really like that stuff. Junior officers in general are very attractive to the civilian job market.

A note on the 5 years - SA and NROTC grads must serve an additional 36 months after the end of their OBLISERV to earn 100% of the very generous Post-9/11 GI Bill educational benefit.

Some links of interest below:





It’s also an inside joke that people say “I’m staying for 20,” and they leave at 5, or “I’m a five-and-diver,” and they stay for a full career. All junior officers assess staying or going at the 5-8 year point, and often surprise themselves.
 
100% agree with all you say. In fact, all that you said applies to life, in general. I’m hoping others might be able to jump in with anecdotal info, as well.
I really appreciate your insight and thought-full answer.
Here’s a separate question for you- assuming that 5 years commitment is the plan (subject to change, of course) what are the benefits of SWO nuke vs regular SWO? Thoughts?
My first ship after commissioning and the one where I earned my SWO qualification was Nuclear powered so of course many of my officer shipmates were SWO Nukes. In general, aside from the fact that they will have to do more tours in the Engineering Dept than non nukes who are more able to take MORE of the Operations or Combat Systems type jobs, there is the fact that they will spend more time on Carriers than the typical SWO. For a SWO, CVNs are very different from even the large Amphibs that look like them. It is far too much to go into here but the differences are significant and in general non-nuke SWOs avoid aircraft carrier billets as best they can and have done so for many year, even before all of our carriers were nukes.
On their non-CVN tours, the surface nukes seem to be able to serve on just about any type of ship and across the full range of billets. Given that your question was about the 5 year commitment, it is probable that the first ship and maybe the only ship that you'll serve on will be a CVN and pretty surely in the Engineering Dept. My first ship was a cruiser where I was Ordnance Officer (the Missile and Gunnery Officer) aboard and got to do a lot of missile and gun exercises along with learning how to be a good OOD and Surface Warfare Officer while my nuke counterparts were continuing to spend most of their time in the engineering plant and not able to do much on the bridge or CIC. Generally, they did those watchstations on subsequent tours.

As a non-nuke, I was pretty happy to avoid Carriers during my operational SWO tours but ended up riding many CVNs when I got more senior and served on Battle Group and Fleet Staffs. The view of a CVN from the blue tile area is not too bad.
 
My first ship after commissioning and the one where I earned my SWO qualification was Nuclear powered so of course many of my officer shipmates were SWO Nukes. In general, aside from the fact that they will have to do more tours in the Engineering Dept than non nukes who are more able to take MORE of the Operations or Combat Systems type jobs, there is the fact that they will spend more time on Carriers than the typical SWO. For a SWO, CVNs are very different from even the large Amphibs that look like them. It is far too much to go into here but the differences are significant and in general non-nuke SWOs avoid aircraft carrier billets as best they can and have done so for many year, even before all of our carriers were nukes.
On their non-CVN tours, the surface nukes seem to be able to serve on just about any type of ship and across the full range of billets. Given that your question was about the 5 year commitment, it is probable that the first ship and maybe the only ship that you'll serve on will be a CVN and pretty surely in the Engineering Dept. My first ship was a cruiser where I was Ordnance Officer (the Missile and Gunnery Officer) aboard and got to do a lot of missile and gun exercises along with learning how to be a good OOD and Surface Warfare Officer while my nuke counterparts were continuing to spend most of their time in the engineering plant and not able to do much on the bridge or CIC. Generally, they did those watchstations on subsequent tours.

As a non-nuke, I was pretty happy to avoid Carriers during my operational SWO tours but ended up riding many CVNs when I got more senior and served on Battle Group and Fleet Staffs. The view of a CVN from the blue tile area is not too bad.


A small quibble - the SWO(N) no longer go to a CVN for first tour, as I understand the latest career path (see link in above post for slides). The focus shifted to classic SWO skills such as ship-handling, navigation, operations, in the first tour on a non-carrier. Starting about 10-15 years ago, I noticed our SWO(N) sponsor mid grads head straight to ships such as USS THE SULLIVANS. Much better for their early SWO experience.
 
I stand corrected - that is a plus for them indeed. Nevertheless, they will spend much more time on CVNs than their non-Nuke (nonirradiated ;)) bretheren and sisteren and for most SWOs that I've known, the CVN is not a fun place to be.
 
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