service obligation time extended for NROTC and USNA grads?

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My son commissioned through NROTC in 2021. He just told me that a message went out last week extending the active duty service obligation from 5 to 6 years (for anyone who commissioned through NROTC or USNA after October 2020). I don't doubt him, but I don't see this mentioned anywhere.
I mean, I know that the Navy technically owns these officers for 8 years, but still, the addition of active duty time seems like a big deal?
 
The message that went out last week stated that anyone who serves less than 6 years on active duty will have to serve as a drilling reservist (Selected Reserves, or SELRES) until they hit the 6-year mark. So, if they were active duty for 4 years, they then have to drill for 2 years. Note that there is a 2-year window upon affiliating with SELRES in which the sailor is exempt from involuntary mobilization.

Here is the message: https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Porta...023/NAV23303.txt?ver=p-DNPlgsb3SxsZsWwnYCfQ==
 
navyman73 said:
The message that went out last week stated that anyone who serves less than 6 years on active duty will have to serve as a drilling reservist (Selected Reserves, or SELRES) until they hit the 6-year mark. So, if they were active duty for 4 years, they then have to drill for 2 years. Note that there is a 2-year window upon affiliating with SELRES in which the sailor is exempt from involuntary mobilization.

Here is the message: https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Portals/55/Messages/NAVADMIN/NAV2023/NAV23303.txt?ver=p-DNPlgsb3SxsZsWwnYCfQ==
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Thank you for posting the link to the official message.
The way my son and his fellow junior officers are interpreting it is that they might as well serve 6 years active duty because they prefer that to the SELRES time. So it changes his timeline.
 
learningNavymom said:
Thank you for posting the link to the official message.
The way my son and his fellow junior officers are interpreting it is that they might as well serve 6 years active duty because they prefer that to the SELRES time. So it changes his timeline.
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And if they are really thinking, they will ensure they consider serving enough time to earn 100% of their Post-9/11 GI Bill generous veterans’ education benefits.


www.va.gov

Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33) | Veterans Affairs

The Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33) helps you pay for school or job training. If you’ve served on active duty after September 10, 2001, you may qualify for the Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33). Find out if you can get this education benefit.
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Capt MJ said:
And if they are really thinking, they will ensure they consider serving enough time to earn 100% of their Post-9/11 GI Bill generous veterans’ education benefits.


www.va.gov

Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33) | Veterans Affairs

The Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33) helps you pay for school or job training. If you’ve served on active duty after September 10, 2001, you may qualify for the Post-9/11 GI Bill (Chapter 33). Find out if you can get this education benefit.
www.va.gov www.va.gov
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Yes, for sure. He is already talking about doing 8 years of active duty for that reason.
 
Hmmm, I know that SA grads need 3 years on top of their initial 5 year ADSO, but does the 3 year additional obligation incurred by Bowman and Shoemaker scholars fulfill that requirement? In other words, would the qualifying length of service remain at 8 years, or be increased to 11?
 
FutureAcademyDad? said:
Hmmm, I know that SA grads need 3 years on top of their initial 5 year ADSO, but does the 3 year additional obligation incurred by Bowman and Shoemaker scholars fulfill that requirement? In other words, would the qualifying length of service remain at 8 years, or be increased to 11?
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That’s where it is critical for the officer to query their detailer (assignment officer) or research the applicable instruction about whether some OBLISERV can run concurrrently (yay!), rather than consecutively (sigh).

Whenever you use the military’s dime or time to get a degree, you usually owe time. When I was an Ensign, and in my initial OBLISERV period, I used Navy Tuition Aid for an after-hours M.S. I owed two-for-one, two years of service for every year in the degree program. I completed the degree in 1.5 years, so owed 3 years - but the “payback” started immediately after degree date, running along with my initial ADSO clock, consecutively. Later on, I earned another M.S. at Naval Postgraduate School, adding more years of OBLISERV, but by then, I wasn’t planning on separating.

These policies can be fluid, depending on retention and attrition rates.
 
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FutureAcademyDad? said:
Hmmm, I know that SA grads need 3 years on top of their initial 5 year ADSO, but does the 3 year additional obligation incurred by Bowman and Shoemaker scholars fulfill that requirement? In other words, would the qualifying length of service remain at 8 years, or be increased to 11?
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According to OPNAVINST 1520.23C, service obligations resulting from immediate graduate education programs will be served consecutively along with any other required service obligations, not to exceed 10 years of commissioned service. That said, that does not obligate the Navy to retain a member on AD. If one is a 2x FOS for O-4, then all remaining OBLISERV is cancelled and the officer is separated according to timelines outlined in the MILPERSMAN. You will get involuntary separation pay (i.e. severance) if and only if one affiliates with SELRES (drilling one weekend a month, and 2 weeks a year) or the IRR (you are a civilian for all intents and purposes that can get recalled when needed). Those desiring a clean break will not get any money.

From the outside looking in, the USNR looks like a good deal. A lot more flexible than AD and you can still work toward a pension. That said, reserve retirement benefits are a little different than AD.
 
Naval Aviators and flight officers are already on the hook beyond earning wings plus to be impacted by a six year AD commitment announcement. Queue up the John McClain welcome to the party pal meme😄
 
FutureAcademyDad? said:
Hmmm, I know that SA grads need 3 years on top of their initial 5 year ADSO, but does the 3 year additional obligation incurred by Bowman and Shoemaker scholars fulfill that requirement? In other words, would the qualifying length of service remain at 8 years, or be increased to 11?
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It remains at 8. Qualifying service starts counting following the years owed for the commissioning source.

Aviation service obligation only kicks in if winged. Fallen angels will still have their original 4 (OCS) or 5 (USNA/NROTC) year service obligation from their commissioning source, and the time at flight school will count.
 
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busdriver said:
Regarding this topic-
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Porta...023/NAV23303.txt?ver=p-DNPlgsb3SxsZsWwnYCfQ==

My son is in subs. I thought it was 5 years ADSO from the commission date (which is same as graduation date) and then remaining years in IRR. No??
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If he commissioned on or after 1 October 2020, not anymore.

Now it's 5 years AD, 1 year SELRES, and 2 years IRR.

The requirement for all officer commissions is 8 years, set by DoD policy. How the services manage those 8 years can change at any time.

Also, the graduation date is not necessarily the same as the commissioning date. He should know how to check that date to be sure.

Fun fact: USNA Med Corps MIDN heading to schools other than the USUHS commissioned into the USNR a day before the rest of the USNA class--for one day they outranked us all.
 
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