Sibling at an academy

bkf

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If one sibling drops out of a military academy, would that reflect negatively on the younger sibling who wants to enroll in an academy? I believe that if a sibling graduates from an academy, more weight is given to other siblings wanting to go to the academy because of a sibling graduating from an academy. Does this work the same in reverse if the older sibling drops out or is removed from enrollment by the academy?
Thank you.
 

USNA69

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It may not help you but I doubt if it will reflect poorly on you. There are points given, both positively and negatively, which are very subjective. The fact remains is that you know more about Academy life than the average candidate. This might put you in good stead.
 
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Zaphod

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If one sibling drops out of a military academy, would that reflect negatively on the younger sibling who wants to enroll in an academy?
I highly doubt it.

I believe that if a sibling graduates from an academy, more weight is given to other siblings wanting to go to the academy because of a sibling graduating from an academy.
I'm not sure if that's true, although I am fairly confident that such consideration IS granted for CHILDREN of Alumni. How much, however, is another matter.
 

time2

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Seems we can all guess or have an opinion.

I think it would be most helpful is someone currently involved with admissions were on this forum and able to answer the original question.
 

time2

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Statements like:

I highly doubt it.

-or-

I believe

-or-

I'm not sure

all sound like opinions to me. I still would like to hear from someone actually involved with admissions whether a sibling/parent/relative has any direct bearing on the application as asked by the original requestor.
 

USNA69

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Statements like:

I highly doubt it.

-or-

I believe

-or-

I'm not sure

all sound like opinions to me. I still would like to hear from someone actually involved with admissions whether a sibling/parent/relative has any direct bearing on the application as asked by the original requestor.
As a BGO, I am actually involved with admissions, I'm not sure but I highly doubt that you will get any better info than my original belief that it is subjective and might or might not help the candidate depending on the admissions officer for that particular package on that particular day for that particular board.
 

Zaphod

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time2,

If you don't like the answers, then kindly go find the "accurate" answers yourself and post them, along with your sources.

USNA69 and I have both been through the admissions process ourselves, and as he has already mentioned, he continues to be involved with it as a current BGO. My caution in answering the question is based on the fact that my knowledge is not complete, and I know it. However, I am confident that the guidance I offered is accurate within its limits.

If you are not going to offer anything constructive to the conversation, but rather are going to do nothing but raise doubts about the offered answers without offering better data as a rebuttal, then I suggest you simply not bother to post.
 

Zaphod

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Let's be fair. If he comes back with the head of the Admissions Board, then I'll be all ears.
 

USNA69

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It is a highly subjective area. I do not like to answer subjective questions with "facts". There are no official fixed considerations given for siblings. However, two of the concerns of the Admissions Board are if the candidate is aware of what he is getting into and whether they are probably going to be successful. When an admisssions officer presents a record to the board, he might or might not mention a sibling in an effort to augment one of the above areas. Again, it is what a specific officer might or might not do on a given day depending on many variables.

time2, again I ask what your stake is in this game and why you seem to troll (trawl) behind everyone simply to cause hate and discontent?

The way forums normally work, for those who are genuinely interested in the thread, is that if someone is not sure, they will leave a response which "asks" for clarification, if appropriate. Thence the "I believes", "I thinks", etc. If they are incorrect, someone will surely rectify this.
 
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time2

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I expected that the way these forums worked was for people with an interest in the Service Academies to be able to ask questions, share information or have an adult discussion about topics of common interest. People probably participate for a wide variety of reasons and in a public forum such as this no one has to 'justify' why.

However, I don't understand why some feel the need to personally attack or try to belittle others who happen to make a statement they don't agree with. I thought scolding and 'name-calling' was something we stopped doing after moving on from grade school.

Everyone who participates is equally entitled to their views and opinions. They are just as entitled to their opinion as you are to yours. You may or may not always agree with the point of view of the other person. However, you should still state your opinion in a professsional and adult-like manner.

I think you will be surprised at how many more people would activity participate in these types of forums if everyone was treated as though they have a right to be here.
 

Zaphod

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Time, you're really beginning to sound like a troll. Trolls don't last here long, no matter how well they write.

We do not mind constructive feedback or alternative ideas. We simply expect them to be backed up either with facts or with a background that justifies the comments being made. None of the comments you have posted in this thread have provided either, and it was you who came out of the box swinging at answers provided to the OP by those with good reasons to offer the answers they did.

I'm still waiting for you to find better data and post it, as you claimed you were going to. If more of what has already been posted makes its way here, then this thread will be trimmed back to where you derailed it, and further action may follow.

We are not going to let this place degenerate into what the other place has become. If you have a better answer for the OP than has already been provided, then by all means post it.
 

USMA08Mom

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I can tell everyone that my older son (2008) was called in to the admissions office at USMA last year after his brother applied for the class of 2011 and asked his honest opinion as to his brother's seriousness/intent/chance of succeeding as a cadet. I imagine they would not have bothered to do that if it were not given any weight.
 

Zaphod

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I can tell everyone that my older son (2008) was called in to the admissions office at USMA last year after his brother applied for the class of 2011 and asked his honest opinion as to his brother's seriousness/intent/chance of succeeding as a cadet. I imagine they would not have bothered to do that if it were not given any weight.
I'd be surprised if he HADN'T been asked. However, the question of HOW MUCH weight is the question.

I honestly think it cannot hurt unless the sibling already on the inside goes and says something stupid. How much it helps is anyone's guess.

A strong word of advice is NOT to rely on "having someone on the inside" to get you in. It won't work unless your record can stand on its own.
 

xchefmike

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one example

The Younger brother XXXXX will be part of the class of 2012 by most reports.
His older brother had some issues off the field. I think they take you on your own merits.
Work Hard and be your own man.
Good Luck. :thumb:
 
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