SWO Ship Selection

The "plus BAH" is your answer. Depending on location BAH is significant (as an O-3 in SoCal, BAH is about a third of my paycheck) and normally at least part is banked if you have roommates. For SWOs, if played properly all of that BAH can be banked on deployment or while underway when there are few expenses.

With all of the various pays and allowances added in, Officers generally do well for kids right out of college.
 
just getting my head around this..
How do ensigns save money ( when making ~$3200 per month plus BAH, BAS)? I mean can that really happen if proper with money??

I had my DS take out the loan USNA offered and invest it in an S&P fund. Now he has to pay it back. Forced savings. The rest he’ll have to figure out.
 
I had my DS take out the loan USNA offered and invest it in an S&P fund. Now he has to pay it back. Forced savings. The rest he’ll have to figure out.

I think you are referring to either the USAA or NFCU career starter loan? That is not a USNA loan, and is up to the mid/cadet as a personal financial decision. There are many threads in this topic.
 
I asked my DS about the Rota Spain billet and why it was left on the board. He told me that the firsties that were going SWO knew that ship was about to be reported shortly (like within weeks) after they arrive.

My daughter decided to live stream ship selection on our TV in the living room shortly after dinner. I had watched a replay of the 2019 version so I felt that I would be able to come across as very knowledgeable (for once!) on how things were working and what would be the most desirable place to be based out of.

Things didn’t quite go as planned for 2020. I made the broad sweeping statement/prediction that Rota, Spain would be, by far, the most desirable location to be based out of as it was, by far, in 2019. There were Midshipmen-choreographed Spanish dances and lots of fist pumping celebration to go to Rota which was entirely off the board easily within the 1st 20 picks in 2019.

Fast forward to 2020 and nobody was touching Rota with a 10 foot pole. Sadly all of the ships based out of Rota, the very exciting port in Spain, are now in probably the northern Indian Ocean or worse yet, the Persian Gulf.

Last year, I gave up watching the 2019 installment before I ever found out that there were actual Naval bases in Annapolis, Maryland and Mayport, Florida. Who knew?!? Literally, no one had chosen these two rather boring/mundane sounding home ports (to me) in the United States for 2019 - everyone was going for forward-deployed bases with better geographic locations.

The reality of what these young people could be asked to do in their future seems to have sunk in or at least crossed some minds or maybe I just read this all long.
 
just getting my head around this..
How do ensigns save money ( when making ~$3200 per month plus BAH, BAS)? I mean can that really happen if proper with money??

@Hurricane12 hit many key points - she knows the drill.

There is base pay. There is also sea pay, flight pay, other special pays, bonuses at certain career decision points.

When they are deployed in a combat zone, there are extra pays and untaxed monies. Too much to go into here, but if you’re forward deployed in certain situations, you can sock away the cash.

There are “allowances,” which are untaxed. BAH is location-linked, higher in high-cost areas.

All medical, dental, vision and pharmacy are free - no premiums, no co-pays, whether at a military facility or an emergency/urgent care while driving XC to next duty station. Just show that military ID.

The exchange and commissary offer tax-free shopping, often competitive or better than WalMart, Target, etc. It’s a good option to have.

Roommates are a great strategy.

Some keep personal goods at a minimum, stow it in a storage facility or at a friend’s, and give up the apartment and associated costs while deployed.

There is the Fed version of a 401K, see www.tsp.gov with targeted retirement funds, Roth/non-Roth, variety of options.
They can start this upon commissioning and active duty. Easy deductions from pay straight to their fund. Long-term savings, follows 401k rules for portability.

If they are smart, they already have their IRA, probably Roth, going, as they have earned income that started as SA midshipmen/cadets.

There is the new blended retirement system. That is easily searched to learn more.

There are time-in-service pay bumps every two years. There will be a pay raise at O-2 in about 2 years, and 2 years after that, O-3, when they will be making roughly twice what they make as O-1, if I recall the pay tables correctly. Www.dfas.gov has the pay tables.

BAH allowance also goes up with rank.

When possible, establishing residence in a state without income tax allows the AD military member to be a transient resident at duty stations, not subject to state income tax. My home state was GA; they wanted full state income tax no matter where I was. The minute I got stationed in FL, I registered to vote and did other things, went to the base JAG to get the letter to tell GA I was no longer a resident, and claimed FL for the remainder of my AD career. DH’s home state was PA, which did not assess state income tax for AD military serving out of state. He never paid state income tax during his career.

Using basic personal financial management principles, having a budget, spending less than what comes in, managing credit smartly, investing diversely and for short/medium/long-term goals, knowing the difference between needs and wants, exercising discipline in money matters, it is possible to build a strong foundation for wealth-building. I was well-advised by my parents and senior officers, and made mostly the right choices starting in my late teens.
 
The "plus BAH" is your answer. Depending on location BAH is significant (as an O-3 in SoCal, BAH is about a third of my paycheck) and normally at least part is banked if you have roommates. For SWOs, if played properly all of that BAH can be banked on deployment or while underway when there are few expenses.

With all of the various pays and allowances added in, Officers generally do well for kids right out of college.

Thank you for the insight here..
 
They can’t tell you where they’re going or have been! ;)

Nuke folks get plenty of sub-related bonuses.
 
Ships entering tax free zones are slightly different. Certain ports and area of ops do qualify for tax free status. Subs could qualify for that too. As Capt MJ stayed lots of nuke bonuses out there too. A SA grad with no school debt, did something half way reasonable with their career starter loan, and lives in something half way reasonable will be fine with money. Room mates can make it even better. Getting married and having a kid a year later... makes things much tighter.
 
My stupid question is; what do the different colors of on the board mean? most tags are white, but some were yellow, red or black.
 
My stupid question is; what do the different colors of on the board mean? most tags are white, but some were yellow, red or black.
There are some limitations to what ships people can pick based on whether they are a SWO, Nuke SWO, SWO EDO, SWO Intel, or SWO METOC. Here is what I remember about the color code.
White: SWOs
Red: Nuke SWOs
Yellow: SWO, SWO(N), EDO
Green: METOC I think
Blue: Blue Chip

I hope that helps!
 
FWIW: DS roommate had the #1 pick for ship selection. He's a computer science major, and absolutely stupid smart (the kind of kid where you think "phew, I'm glad he's on our side...") He will be doing cryptological warfare, so there were a limited number of spots available to him. He chose the Ronald Reagan based in Yokosuka, Japan because a) it's a great ship, and b) his specialty is available on it, and 3) he received the samurai sword given to the first person choosing a Japanese port. DS said the only people more excited than his roommate were the Japanese officers present during selection, who were absolutely ecstatic that a Japan port was the #1 choice.

And yes: they are already plotting ways to use the samurai sword to terrify plebes...
 
FWIW: DS roommate had the #1 pick for ship selection. He's a computer science major, and absolutely stupid smart (the kind of kid where you think "phew, I'm glad he's on our side...") He will be doing cryptological warfare, so there were a limited number of spots available to him. He chose the Ronald Reagan based in Yokosuka, Japan because a) it's a great ship, and b) his specialty is available on it, and 3) he received the samurai sword given to the first person choosing a Japanese port. DS said the only people more excited than his roommate were the Japanese officers present during selection, who were absolutely ecstatic that a Japan port was the #1 choice.

And yes: they are already plotting ways to use the samurai sword to terrify plebes...

I saw the picture of the Japanese officers and the mid and the sword online on the USNA site front page (they changed it now). As an old Japan hand, I thought it was awesome!!
 
I was on a ship in Yoko when the Midway was the carrier in Battle Group Alpha. It was a fun place to be stationed.
 
I think you are referring to either the USAA or NFCU career starter loan? That is not a USNA loan, and is up to the mid/cadet as a personal financial decision. There are many threads in this topic.

Not sure who offered it. Believe it was USAA. Whoever it was, the arbitrage worked out great. Tough not to beat 75 bps in the market. And with no other need for the money and a guaranteed job after graduation it amounts to forced savings and making money on someone else's money. But, as folks on this site like to say "your mileage may vary".
 
Based on 2020 (and I think prior years) Ship Selection should be nearing. Does anyone know when its on the schedule, and if it will be in person or virtual (like the NROTC folks) this year?
 
Since the rule of thumb is ships have a 30% turnover every year, picking a ship because someone who was on the ship for summer cruise a year ago said the CO was cool, is not the best reason to choose a ship. The ships fall roughly into two categories, the CRUDES (cruiser destroyer) and amphibs (amphibious ships that embark Marines) - two different missions, both important. That is one basis for choosing. Others want specific classes of ships. Some say “give me anything in that homeport, because that’s close to my family, GF, BF.”

Mayport is the East Coast equivalent of San Diego. Live at Jax Beach, establish residency in FL to retain for rest of time on AD and pay no state income tax, good weather (though not SoCal). We enjoy listening to the sponsor mids discuss the options. And anyone who thinks Rota is a lazy Med kind of place to be is sorely mistaken. We returned ships to homeport there because of the proximity to eastern Med/Gulf hot spots.

CO/XO have complete flexibility to assign as needed on a ship, and JOs can expect to rotate through various departments. Their job is to not only lead their division, but learn the ship as a warfare platform and successfully complete the professional qualifications for designation as a Surface Warfare Officer.

I miss our homeports from back in the 600-ship Navy days - Long Beach, San Francisco Bay area (so many great Naval Stations and Naval Air Stations BRACed), Staten Island, Philadelphia, and the list goes on.

Some also choose based on what they have been able to find out about the ship’s deployment cycle, and what stage the ship is in.

Those are broad brush strokes.
Worked on the conversion of the old Stapleton base in Staten Island into an affordable housing project.
 
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