U.S. Moving Navy Ships / Aircrafts Closer to Israel

TBVADAD said:
Not the private island, but land up in the mountains of Virginia and East Tenn. Two hours by car to visit a store. We have 4 acres now. Need to add and build the infrastructure to be self sustainable. Being an empty nester now I have more time. Need to get out of the NCR.
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... beautiful area... grew up in country roads, you know from the song West Virginia, country mama.
 
kinnem said:
I watched the first 2 and agree with your assessment. Guess I'll have to watch "Little Drummer Girl"
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I hope you have better luck than I in finding it now. No longer on amc+ or Prime. It can be purchased.

The tv has been showing the Hamas training sites where their people were trained prior to the attack.

. One of the best parts of Drummer Girl is following her into one of those camps. Several hours devoted to this.Well done and very realistic because the author spent a fair amount in one of those camps observing and learning as a guest.

Its a perfect time when they should be streaming it.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
I hope you have better luck than I in finding it now. No longer on amc+ or Prime. It can be purchased.

The tv has been showing the Hamas training sites where their people were trained prior to the attack.

. One of the best parts of Drummer Girl is following her into one of those camps. Several hours devoted to this.Well done and very realistic because the author spent a fair amount in one of those camps observing and learning as a guest.

Its a perfect time when they should be streaming it.
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Made an early dinner, ready to watch UFC.

I flipped on Amazon Prime. It was there. Looks like they charge to see it … but it has a link to AMC+ to watch. I don’t have that - but there is a 7 day free trial if anyone wants to binge watch it.

I will soon.
 
Humey said:
Exactly, I always wanted to ask someone who says they drop bombs indiscriminately in Gaza to please pinpoint where Israel can drop bombs so that it only kills Hamas members and infrastructure and yet kills zero to few civilians. Because you know their initial reaction would be a blank stare followed up by "its not their job to figure that out" and ending with there is no place to do that so they shouldn't do so. There next comment will always be that Israel should punish the perpetrators and those who led the attacks as if Israel is supposed to send in the police into Gaza to arrest the bad guys. I know lets send Andy Sipowicz and the NYPD into Gaza and do the job. The truth is Hamas does what they do with support from a lot of people both in the MIddle East and the West with aclear understanding how Israel will react. Then those caught up in the bombings and the supporters of the Palestinian cause will call blame Israel for reacting. I am not even mad at the people who think attacking Israel is a good thing, but they must also accept how the Israeli will react.
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Props for the NYPD Blue reference. I fear this particular event is going to be complex bc of some of the things you touch on - namely there are multiple external entities, including the US that expect some specific geopolitical result. This whole thing is already beyond the events we see on the ground.

I found this: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/invasion-gaza-would-be-disaster-israel

And this:
www.theatlantic.com

Israel Is Walking Into a Trap

Storming into Gaza will fulfill Hamas’s wish.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

To be accurate reads.
 
nmabq said:
I found this: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/invasion-gaza-would-be-disaster-israel

And this:
www.theatlantic.com

Israel Is Walking Into a Trap

Storming into Gaza will fulfill Hamas’s wish.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

To be accurate reads.
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... concur. It's a trap, a blood bath. Ok, I think they can extract themselves.

* IDF Mission Order: "IDF Forces... are preparing to implement a wide range of offensive plans which include, among other things, an integrated and coordinated attack from the air, sea, and land."

Once the Rules of Engagement (ROE) hit the squad level, then it becomes shoot everything in your way (for tankers) and shoot everything that moves (for "tunnel rats"). Concerning about this order is the lack of humanitarian statement. If this is a U.S.-led Joint Task Force Operations (JTFO), the last sentence should read, "On order, execute Civil Military Operations (CMO) and Noncombatant Evacuation Operations (NEO)." It's clear there's no humanitarian relief planning.

** U.S. Support.
- Two U.S. Carrier Strike Groups... making 300 daily sorties possible.
- U.S. Spec Ops. In the "Siege of Marawi," they provided electronic and intelligence support to the Philippine Army's 1st Scout Ranger Regiment. Hostage rescue can play a role especially if Americans are involved. And
AI-laden equipment such as ground sensors and subterranean robotics that can mimic a human "tunnel rat" can be a game changer.

*** "Brotherhood of War." It's real. It's not fighting over political ideologies. It's fighting for the fellow next to you. My assistant took one in the face, refused medevac, and continued fighting.
I was scheduled for a medical treatment in Germany. While getting ready to board the aircraft at Baghdad airport, I felt guilty, called my team, and went back to the desert.
 
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“I think they can extract themselves”

Easier to say before you deploy troops than once they are knee deep in fighting. Ask President Johnson.

Black Hawk Down is a different example. One chopper down and a heck of a fight with casualties and then we did not extract ourselves we fled the country pulling our troops out.

same with the bombing of the Marine barracks. One truck one terrible explosion and we pulled our Marines out of the country.

Americans at least will not stand for mass casualties or 24/7 coverage of 100s of innocent woman children and the elderly dying from lack of water and basis necessities.

The pressure on the US to pull their support will happen if the fighting drags on. And it’s election time, The opposition will hang this around whatever admin is in office at the time. And for good reason or bad this will be an all consuming election issue that the opposition will use effectively.

This is going to turn into a major CF
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
You found that survey you gave me your word of honor existed and that you saw and was discussed on msm recently?
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No, I corrected your reading miscomprehension.

I said Palestinians support attacking Israel. You misunderstood when I said Palestinians - you thought I meant Gaza. I also said recently - not during the conflict.

Palestinians do live outside Gaza, you know? 😂 😂 😂
 
A1Janitor said:
No, I corrected your reading miscomprehension.

I said Palestinians support attacking Israel. You misunderstood when I said Palestinians - you thought I meant Gaza. I also said recently - not during the conflict.

Palestinians do live outside Gaza, you know? 😂 😂 😂
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Until you post the survey you promised to post, done after July , showing a 57% support for Hamas, that you claimed you saw , and was discussed in msm , including abc, then we have nothing to talk about.

Until then
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Until you post the survey you promised to post, done after July , showing a 57% support for Hamas, that you claimed you saw , and was discussed in msm , including abc, then we have nothing to talk about.

Until then
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Haha

Learn to read for comprehension. That would have saved you getting it wrong.

You add so much nonsense. Did I say the survey was after July or that I saw a twitter post the other day that talked about a survey. I said I “thought” the post was referencing ABC (not the Russian Times I subscribe to).

Hint: 60% of Palestinians live outside Gaza.

Take the L. I will post it if it comes across my feed.

This isn’t going anywhere, so I will bow out with a smile.
 
Whatever-I think we can all agree that this is a real CF. My only hope is that it doesn’t spread outside the immediate conflict. And that the presence of our carrier groups are enough to make others think twice about joining in. This conflict and territory dispute, land changing hands, has existed long before the 1940s-as much as a 2 state compromise makes sense to Westerners-too many extremists don’t want it and Israelis fear for their lives. I don’t see the fundamentals changing. How can they be changed? The land has ‘belonged’ to the strongest army-dating back centuries. Assyria, Babylon, Rome etc. It annoys me that 19 year olds marching around college campuses can only see history since the 1940s and little else. So what is our part? For me personally, no US boots on the ground.
 
severn said:
... so this is an existential question (s): Are we going ever to eradicate hatred in our planet? During my combat tours, I looked at the night sky often and contemplate is there someone up there... God, Allah, and/or Infinite Intelligence that can end all hatred in humanity? Physicist Max Planck was known for his contribution in Quantum Physics just like Einstein's Theory of Relativity. The most basic particles in an atom is a quark. Physicists described it as a featureless ball with an electric charge. A phenomenon called the observer effect is the fact that by observing the quarks, it's electric charges changes position affecting the outcome. Can a prayer then affect the outcome in the current conflict?
I was first exposed to extreme hatred in Iraq. Growing up in the U.S., there's nothing comparable. Daily I would attend a village council meeting. On one side seats the Shias; the other side the Sunnis. The meeting is just filled with uncontrollable rage and hatred. I'm talking about grown men screaming and pointing fingers. Some would start using the plastic utensils as a weapon. This hatred started 1,391 years ago on the aftermath of Muhammad's death in AD 632. Sadly, the same hatred exists currently in Gaza, but started only in 1948, the Arab-Israeli War. Lots of movies depicted war veterans living off grid in the Yukon, desert, islands, and woodlands; others in Buddhist monasteries located in Thailand, Japan, Nepal; some becoming monks in Tibet. These are true by the way. A teammate saved all his pay and bought a small island in the South Pacific. He's there now growing vegetables and fishing. I did not buy a personal island but very close. I'm on it with no one around... I can even smoke that funny stuff (not that I have possession or access nor desire) without anyone knowing. In consolation of all this, I fly to BWI at least 4X per year to visit DS '26 in the yard. Even as a fullpleged veteran, I still support the war effort by wearing a U.S.-Ukrainian flag pin on my suit's left lapel... I might as well add a U.S.-Israeli flag pin on the right lapel. And lastly, I'm satisfied that I've raised a son to continue the family's heritage of military service.
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m.jpost.com

How did God let Hamas massacre so many Israelis? - opinion

We must recognize Hamas and Hezbollah and the bulk of the Palestinians for what they indisputably are: the modern-day reincarnation of the Nazis. There is no limit to their evil.
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... so this is a follow-up to my existential question about hatred in humanity. This article, "How did God let Hamas massacre so many Israelis," provided another perspective. Perhaps prayer can make sense of all the madness. We pray often but not as much since DS left. But when we're together like Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner, our prayer is intensed. Also, I taught him if he's in imminent danger, to just say, "Give me strength and courage." This is my last post about the Israeli-Hamas conflict.
 
severn said:
m.jpost.com

How did God let Hamas massacre so many Israelis? - opinion

We must recognize Hamas and Hezbollah and the bulk of the Palestinians for what they indisputably are: the modern-day reincarnation of the Nazis. There is no limit to their evil.
m.jpost.com m.jpost.com
... so this is a follow-up to my existential question about hatred in humanity. This article, "How did God let Hamas massacre so many Israelis," provided another perspective. Perhaps prayer can make sense of all the madness. We pray often but not as much since DS left. But when we're together like Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner, our prayer is intensed. Also, I taught him if he's in imminent danger, to just say, "Give me strength and courage." This is my last post about the Israeli-Hamas conflict.
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Amazing story on 60 Minutes last night. This family lives in this Kibbutz on the border. He is trapped with his family in the bomb shelter and he calls his father because he cant get help from police or the military. Turns out his father is a retired General from the IDF. His dad and mom get into the car and drive down to rescue them. On the way there the father is stopped by the cops but he goes around them and keeps going. On the way there, he finds this couple who had escaped the musical festival. They had their own crazy story on how they survived. He picks them up and tells them they are going south to find his son. They go with him and reach another checkpoint. The father tells them, he is going to continue and if they want to stop him, they are going to have to shoot. He also asks for a soldier to come with them. I am confused with the story at this point, because i don't know what happens to the couple he picked up. I am guessing he left them with the checkpoint. So the dad, the mom, and the soldier continue down until they see an IDF vehicle and they are in a shootout with terrorists. The dad and the soldier get out and get into the firefight. They wind up killing the terrorist, but some of the soldiers are hurt. They put the soldiers in the car and returned where they came from to take the wounded to the hospital. I get a little confused on this part, but the wife takes the wounded to the hospital and the father and soldier take a car and continue the rescue. They eventually reach the Kibbutz where he and the soldier hook up with other soldiers and enter the now Hamas-controlled Kibbutz. They go from house to house cleaning out any terrorist they find until they finally reach his sons house where they are alive. It was heartbreaking because they had two little girls who had to stay quiet as the terrorists were inside the house trying to find them.
 
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