USMA Overnight Visit, Night 0 and Day 1

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Figured I'd post about my experience with DS here at USMA during his visit. I'll post more tomorrow evening after we get home.
We arrived after the 75 minute drive from NJ at 4p yesterday afternoon. We stopped at the Bear Mountain Bakery (BMB) for a coffee and to pick up some desserts for the host cadets. While we're on the topic of BMB, I want to mention 3 things: #1, they use La Colombe coffee products, which as a coffee snob, I endorse 100%; #2, their cupcakes are awesome. #3, they are very nice. One lady gave me a brownie for free after I asked about them.

After BMB, we checked into the Thayer. Soon, we saw a cadet company doing fitness training on Buffalo Soldier Field, for about 45 minutes. We then got ready for dinner and had time to kill, so we played some chess on a game table outside of the bar in the hotel. I just want to point out that I beat DS 3 games to 1!

We then had dinner in the Thayer Hotel's MacArthur's Restaurant. It was a big place, yet we were one of only 4 total diners in the restaurant at 7pm! The food was quite good, though certainly not cheap.

We woke up at 6am this morning so we would have plenty of time for breakfast and to go to the visitor control center to get our pass to get on post. The hotel restaurants didn't open until 7am, so we went to the McDonald's for breakfast.

We parked just inside the gate at Buffalo Soldier Field and rather than wait for the bus, we walked to the admissions office for the 7:45a start. We checked in with admissions and DS got a gift bag with a t-shirt, pennant and water bottle.

Candidates and their parents then received a briefing about USMA from Admissions' southeast regional commander and a current Plebe. The regional commander had an interesting and probably somewhat atypical story...grew up in Minnesota, went to college for 2 years, enlisted for 2 years, then applied twice to USMA, getting in just under the wire for the maximum age. He never looked back and loved his time at USMA and in the army thus far. I asked why he didn't try ROTC or OCS and he said he wanted the immersive leadership experience of USMA and in hindsight he really appreciated the frequent ethics training that is a part of USMA formally and woven into classes by professors who have been in combat. His presentation covered USMA history, 4 pillars of USMA (academics, military, leadership, physical), application ins and outs and the unique training opportunities.

We then did a 45 minute tour of the campus. The summer tour we did in June included the mess hall, but we didn't have time for that today...they typically try to make sure that's part of the tour. It's an impressive building, so I was glad DS and I saw it over the summer.

After the tour, DS and the other candidates were picked up by cadets at 9:45a. A couple seemed to be day candidates, but the 7 or 8 other candidates all seemed to be overnight visitors. Probably only 10 candidates in total in the room. DS was escorted out by a female cadet, though he is obviously staying the night in a room with male cadets.

I don't know much from DS yet, but he went to at least one class, met with I believe an econ professor, met with the sprint football coach, had lunch and dinner with the cadets and is now in the room reading Jim Mattis's book while the cadets study. I'm curious how he'll feel about tomorrow morning's wake up and formation / breakfast. This was a very unusual time for us to come because DS just finished mid-terms, so no homework, and I start a new job in 10 days, so no work for me to do either! I'll report on more of DS's day/night/morning tomorrow, but here's what I did with the rest of my time.

After the cadets left, the regional commander answered more questions about USMA and the admissions process. Then the woman who heads up the parent communication duties for USMA came in to speak with us about being a USMA parent and the various parent resources and local clubs available for support and understanding what the cadets are going through. It only reinforced my feeling that USMA is a great community that forges strong bonds.

By then it was about 11:30a and the parents were dismissed and told to come back at 12:30p the next day to pick up their candidates.

I checked out the cadet store, which wasn't super exciting, but worth spending 5 minutes. It is basically a place for cadets to grab some snacks (like jars of nutella) and basics that they may need like underwear/base layers but also the full array of boots/shoes. DS and I might grab a pair of boots tomorrow before we head home.

After the cadet store, I walked to The West Point Club. It was chilly but a nice walk. It was a crystal clear day, so I took some pics of the river. I ate the buffet at the West Point Club and chatted with a parent couple from Kentucky, who had never visited SA Forums. I unsuccessfully tried to hide my shock and dismay, and told them that it was a valuable resource. As for The West Point Club, I was a little disappointed in the food and the decor. I expected it to be an old, classy building that smelled of cigars and scotch, but it was pretty basic. It did look like the daily lunch offered in a side room was better than the buffet, but I didn't realize that until it was too late. It was an interesting crowd of what looked like officers and faculty, all in uniform.

After the West Point Club, I walked back to my car and drove off post to the Visitor's Center and The West Point Museum. Both are great and worth a walk through. You can spend an hour in each, or certainly more if you want to read all that it offers. I am hoping DS will want to go to the Visitor Center. There are some inspiring videos about USMA and some nice exhibits about cadet life and USMA grads. The Museum covers USMA but also American warfare and small and large weaponry.

The Visitor Center has an extensive gift shop, but it is closed for inventory all week. The Museum also has a gift shop, at which I bought some stuff. At this point it was only about 3p. I went back to the Thayer and then decided to drive to another town for dinner. I don't know why, but I figured I would walk around that town and explore a little. I chose Peekskill. I thought it was a little more of an upscale town of interesting shops and stuff, but it wasn't much to speak of. I got a hair cut and then the highlight was a restaurant on the edge of town called The Fin and Brew. Not cheap, but really great food and a beautiful view of the water and a small marina.

So that was my day/night. Tomorrow morning I plan to go for a hike at Black Rock Brook, pack up the room, eat Mexican at Hacienda and then pick up DS to hear how it all went. DS has an LOA and a nom, but is waiting for his medical waiver to be cleared after ankle surgery in early October. He's progressing well and should be fully cleared within a month. He also has a 4-year AROTC scholarship and has gone back and forth between attending his top civilian school if he gets in and USMA. Very curious to hear his take tomorrow. I'm strongly in favor of USMA, but it's obviously his choice.
 
Thanks for the report. My son did not want to visit the Visitor's Center (though I loved it) because he said they had already visited it at SLE. It sounds like your son may have been at SLE if you were there this summer also.

The best gift shop is the Association of Graduates as far as high quality apparel and interesting gift items - I recommend you check it out. My son and I both wanted to buy lots of stuff there but we refrained since he is not an LOA holder. WP is pretty much out of the running for him now anyway.
 
He didn't do SLE, but we came up for a 90 minute tour over the summer since we live fairly close.
I bought only generic Army stuff in case he doesn't end up at USMA.
Thank you for the tip on the AOG store, we will definitely check that out tomorrow before we go!
 
Thanks for the report! When we were there we loved walking the campus (areas we were allowed to visit of course). The cemetery is a worthwhile stop. Some very notable people buried there which made for a moving experience. Upstairs in the cadet store are the best priced souvenirs at West Point. Prices are at least 30% less than the other gift shops. Secretly bought a sweatshirt for my DS in the event that he gets an appointment. Worth the $40 gamble.
 
Oh, that’s a good point. I forgot to go upstairs in the cadet store.
@williamsdr3 where is the AOG Museum store?

It's on Mills Road and in Google Maps. We drove and you can park right out front - it is on campus but not in the restricted area. I think we drove on our way out of campus after trying to visit one of the Redoubts or the Fort (closed at the time in Oct) by car.
 
Thanks for the report! When we were there we loved walking the campus (areas we were allowed to visit of course). The cemetery is a worthwhile stop. Some very notable people buried there which made for a moving experience. Upstairs in the cadet store are the best priced souvenirs at West Point. Prices are at least 30% less than the other gift shops. Secretly bought a sweatshirt for my DS in the event that he gets an appointment. Worth the $40 gamble.

@tycarpen Did your son go to NASS? I keep thinking if my son who went to SLE and CVW but not NASS gets an appointment to USNA (only nom) I feel like we need to do a trade with all the nice USMA gear/swag from SLE for Navy gear from someone who went to NASS and ends up at West Point!!
 
Great write-up! I know, because I was in the room with you. DS has a nom, LOE and 3Q letter, but no LOA, so I’m holding off on the USMA swag buys.
I think I and another dad were sitting near you in the WP Club, and I agree with your assessment of the place.

I and other Dad took the long walk around the Plain to the Cadet Chapel, which is worth the trip. I could spend more time at Trophy Point, which has some great history.

Enjoy Hacienda; we ate dinner there when we arrived, and it was very good. Get the guacamole, and thank me later.
 
Thank you for the write up! I'll be headed that way in a few weeks with my DS for his overnight and this is very helpful info. DS has stayed overnight with some classmates/teachers in his Cadet Corps, did SLE over the summer and was there in 7th grade for the 3 day MS STEM workshop and every time he goes, he loves it. He just received a 4 year AROTC scholarship but USMA is his top choice. DS has a nom, LOE and is 3Q so we are patiently waiting to see what transpires.
 
I agree. Great write-up.

One variable that is often overlooked is the randomness of who your candidate is placed with. My son slept at three service academies and with one ROTC company.

At one service academy his handlers told him they were miserable and to go somewhere else. They slept-in and didn't take him to breakfast.

He said he enjoyed his visit but he seemed very deflated after I picked him up. I think the negativity spoiled his experience.

At the time it was his top choice.

Who knows? Maybe if he was with a positive student he would of went that route.
 
Yes, great write-up NJDadofDSUSMA2024Hopeful and many thanks for providing that to the rest of us. I am taking DS up for his overnight (19 Feb) and even though I am a USMA grad there are many things I never really got around to doing when I was there due to time constraints.

Overwhelmed, excellent point about the randomness of who your candidate is placed with and how a negative experience might affect your DS or DD's decision to attend the institution. I took my son for overnights to Texas A&M and Virginia Tech last spring. In BOTH instances he was placed with cadets who had not gotten into USMA on their first try, but had reapplied and been accepted to the USMA Class of 2023 (yes, in BOTH instances if you can imagine that!). I think it really made my son understand how difficult it is to get into USMA and made him want it even more.

I pray his overnight visit to USMA goes well, but if he decides it is not for him for whatever reason he will have the option to go elsewhere (VA Tech most likely) on an Army ROTC scholarship. As parents we need to remember that the ones going through the SA are our DSs and DDs and as much as we MIGHT think a SA is somehow better they are the ones who will have to go to school there.
 
The AOG Gift Shop is in Herbert Hall. Don't forget that you can order online from them as well. When they change over their inventory they have some great clearance sales online. They absolutely have the nicest stuff, and you are going to want some swag if your candidate ends up a cadet! ;)
 
Figured I'd post about my experience with DS here at USMA during his visit. I'll post more tomorrow evening after we get home.
We arrived after the 75 minute drive from NJ at 4p yesterday afternoon. We stopped at the Bear Mountain Bakery (BMB) for a coffee and to pick up some desserts for the host cadets. While we're on the topic of BMB, I want to mention 3 things: #1, they use La Colombe coffee products, which as a coffee snob, I endorse 100%; #2, their cupcakes are awesome. #3, they are very nice. One lady gave me a brownie for free after I asked about them.

After BMB, we checked into the Thayer. Soon, we saw a cadet company doing fitness training on Buffalo Soldier Field, for about 45 minutes. We then got ready for dinner and had time to kill, so we played some chess on a game table outside of the bar in the hotel. I just want to point out that I beat DS 3 games to 1!

We then had dinner in the Thayer Hotel's MacArthur's Restaurant. It was a big place, yet we were one of only 4 total diners in the restaurant at 7pm! The food was quite good, though certainly not cheap.

We woke up at 6am this morning so we would have plenty of time for breakfast and to go to the visitor control center to get our pass to get on post. The hotel restaurants didn't open until 7am, so we went to the McDonald's for breakfast.

We parked just inside the gate at Buffalo Soldier Field and rather than wait for the bus, we walked to the admissions office for the 7:45a start. We checked in with admissions and DS got a gift bag with a t-shirt, pennant and water bottle.

Candidates and their parents then received a briefing about USMA from Admissions' southeast regional commander and a current Plebe. The regional commander had an interesting and probably somewhat atypical story...grew up in Minnesota, went to college for 2 years, enlisted for 2 years, then applied twice to USMA, getting in just under the wire for the maximum age. He never looked back and loved his time at USMA and in the army thus far. I asked why he didn't try ROTC or OCS and he said he wanted the immersive leadership experience of USMA and in hindsight he really appreciated the frequent ethics training that is a part of USMA formally and woven into classes by professors who have been in combat. His presentation covered USMA history, 4 pillars of USMA (academics, military, leadership, physical), application ins and outs and the unique training opportunities.

We then did a 45 minute tour of the campus. The summer tour we did in June included the mess hall, but we didn't have time for that today...they typically try to make sure that's part of the tour. It's an impressive building, so I was glad DS and I saw it over the summer.

After the tour, DS and the other candidates were picked up by cadets at 9:45a. A couple seemed to be day candidates, but the 7 or 8 other candidates all seemed to be overnight visitors. Probably only 10 candidates in total in the room. DS was escorted out by a female cadet, though he is obviously staying the night in a room with male cadets.

I don't know much from DS yet, but he went to at least one class, met with I believe an econ professor, met with the sprint football coach, had lunch and dinner with the cadets and is now in the room reading Jim Mattis's book while the cadets study. I'm curious how he'll feel about tomorrow morning's wake up and formation / breakfast. This was a very unusual time for us to come because DS just finished mid-terms, so no homework, and I start a new job in 10 days, so no work for me to do either! I'll report on more of DS's day/night/morning tomorrow, but here's what I did with the rest of my time.

After the cadets left, the regional commander answered more questions about USMA and the admissions process. Then the woman who heads up the parent communication duties for USMA came in to speak with us about being a USMA parent and the various parent resources and local clubs available for support and understanding what the cadets are going through. It only reinforced my feeling that USMA is a great community that forges strong bonds.

By then it was about 11:30a and the parents were dismissed and told to come back at 12:30p the next day to pick up their candidates.

I checked out the cadet store, which wasn't super exciting, but worth spending 5 minutes. It is basically a place for cadets to grab some snacks (like jars of nutella) and basics that they may need like underwear/base layers but also the full array of boots/shoes. DS and I might grab a pair of boots tomorrow before we head home.

After the cadet store, I walked to The West Point Club. It was chilly but a nice walk. It was a crystal clear day, so I took some pics of the river. I ate the buffet at the West Point Club and chatted with a parent couple from Kentucky, who had never visited SA Forums. I unsuccessfully tried to hide my shock and dismay, and told them that it was a valuable resource. As for The West Point Club, I was a little disappointed in the food and the decor. I expected it to be an old, classy building that smelled of cigars and scotch, but it was pretty basic. It did look like the daily lunch offered in a side room was better than the buffet, but I didn't realize that until it was too late. It was an interesting crowd of what looked like officers and faculty, all in uniform.

After the West Point Club, I walked back to my car and drove off post to the Visitor's Center and The West Point Museum. Both are great and worth a walk through. You can spend an hour in each, or certainly more if you want to read all that it offers. I am hoping DS will want to go to the Visitor Center. There are some inspiring videos about USMA and some nice exhibits about cadet life and USMA grads. The Museum covers USMA but also American warfare and small and large weaponry.

The Visitor Center has an extensive gift shop, but it is closed for inventory all week. The Museum also has a gift shop, at which I bought some stuff. At this point it was only about 3p. I went back to the Thayer and then decided to drive to another town for dinner. I don't know why, but I figured I would walk around that town and explore a little. I chose Peekskill. I thought it was a little more of an upscale town of interesting shops and stuff, but it wasn't much to speak of. I got a hair cut and then the highlight was a restaurant on the edge of town called The Fin and Brew. Not cheap, but really great food and a beautiful view of the water and a small marina.

So that was my day/night. Tomorrow morning I plan to go for a hike at Black Rock Brook, pack up the room, eat Mexican at Hacienda and then pick up DS to hear how it all went. DS has an LOA and a nom, but is waiting for his medical waiver to be cleared after ankle surgery in early October. He's progressing well and should be fully cleared within a month. He also has a 4-year AROTC scholarship and has gone back and forth between attending his top civilian school if he gets in and USMA. Very curious to hear his take tomorrow. I'm strongly in favor of USMA, but it's obviously his choice.

Great post. My bet is your son will be at West Point. After my son's overnight he said, "it just seems like the walls and buildings talk to you." He visited during a blizzard, and was soaking wet when I picked him up. He was smiling...I knew then he would choose WP.
 
Great post. My son made the same visit last year, and it really solidified his decision in choosing WP. Good luck to those waiting to hear!
 
Yes, great write-up NJDadofDSUSMA2024Hopeful and many thanks for providing that to the rest of us. I am taking DS up for his overnight (19 Feb) and even though I am a USMA grad there are many things I never really got around to doing when I was there due to time constraints.

Overwhelmed, excellent point about the randomness of who your candidate is placed with and how a negative experience might affect your DS or DD's decision to attend the institution. I took my son for overnights to Texas A&M and Virginia Tech last spring. In BOTH instances he was placed with cadets who had not gotten into USMA on their first try, but had reapplied and been accepted to the USMA Class of 2023 (yes, in BOTH instances if you can imagine that!). I think it really made my son understand how difficult it is to get into USMA and made him want it even more.

I pray his overnight visit to USMA goes well, but if he decides it is not for him for whatever reason he will have the option to go elsewhere (VA Tech most likely) on an Army ROTC scholarship. As parents we need to remember that the ones going through the SA are our DSs and DDs and as much as we MIGHT think a SA is somehow better they are the ones who will have to go to school there.

Hi USMAGRAD1988! My DS is visiting USMA for an overnight on Feb. 19 as well! DH is taking him up with his Grandad. He has an LOA to USMA, USMMA and an offer of appointment to USAFA, but wants to be sure he will be happy where he chooses to go. Haven't heard from USNA yet. Maybe they will see you there!
 
@tycarpen Did your son go to NASS? I keep thinking if my son who went to SLE and CVW but not NASS gets an appointment to USNA (only nom) I feel like we need to do a trade with all the nice USMA gear/swag from SLE for Navy gear from someone who went to NASS and ends up at West Point!!
@williamsdr3 Yesssss! Funny you talk about the gear, the ONE item my son was hoping to score when we went for the overnight was this one hat (I think it was a snapback) he saw at our local WP Admissions Briefing. The RC brought it. DS got his hopes up because it looked like a give-away item. Unfortunately though, it then left with the RC. In search of this hat at WP he discovered that it was indeed SLE swag. Did your boy get one? I'm sure my guy would be willing to trade the cool sweatshirt he got from NASS (which hasn't gotten too much play at all this winter) for that special hat!
 
One variable that is often overlooked is the randomness of who your candidate is placed with. My son slept at three service academies and with one ROTC company.

At one service academy his handlers told him they were miserable and to go somewhere else. They slept-in and didn't take him to breakfast.

He said he enjoyed his visit but he seemed very deflated after I picked him up. I think the negativity spoiled his experience.

At the time it was his top choice.

Who knows? Maybe if he was with a positive student he would of went that route.

This is an interesting point. My daughter indicated that when she had a CC with her, she had volunteered for the job. She also knew how how much she appreciated the Cadets/Mids who spent time with her when she was a CC. But, there is no doubt that plebes at WP and Navy have good and bad days, and that must impact their CC’s visits.
 
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