vmi, citadel, norwich

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soccerfreak123

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how would you rank vmi, citadel and norwich academicallly.

also what is the difference between their military programs ? is one better than the other ?

i have grown to realize that i have a very small small shot at getting into west point or any of the academies so i am looking around for other military schools. I have always wanted to be in the army i am the gung hoe hooah ranger type so i would like a school that would push to make me the best officer i can be.
 
We'll I'm going to say NU but my opinion is certainly biased since i will be attending NU. But it is a fact that NU has the biggest and most well funded Army ROTC program of the 3 schools you mentioned. Did you send your applications out already? If not you should step on it.
 
i am still a junior in high school but i am just trying to get other options besides the military academies.

here are my stats:
gpa:3.4-3.5
PSAT: scores too badd to put on here( i am not a good test taker but do well in school )
lettered in soccer this year and will next year as well
my school is a private school that does not rank
EC's: co captain on varisty debate, Model UN, ambassadors club, Venture Crew, paintball club, junior calss officer of the criminal justice and law society, i have over 200 service hours, involved in Habitat for Humanity, member of Youth United Beren( involved with Habitat for Humanity but for tenns) . I am also very involved in my chruch , Peer minister and have worked at the churhc camp. i also have a summer job as a caddy at a golf course.
Do you think with thoes stats i have a chance at any of the three schools ?
Also when you said that "NU has the biggest and most well funded Army ROTC program of the 3 schools " does that mean i have a better shot at getting an army schlorship there ?

And how to i match up to Army ROTC applicants?
 
Soccerfreak:

Good for you to check out Army ROTC scholarships now while you are a junior. You can put all three schools on your list when you complete your application.

How strong is your academic schedule? Are you taking honors courses especially in science and math?
Any idea what your class rank is?
Those factors IMO are more important than GPA.
If your PSAT's are "that bad" then time to get working on taking your SAT's and even ACT's. The minimum SAT requirement for ROTC scholarhip is only a 920 - CR + M. Of course a higher score makes you more competitive.
 
i have already started studying for the sat i have a tutor once a week and i have been doing practice tests and vocabulary as well.

i am in a college prepatory school, i take all college prep calss except for English i take honors.

Does physical fitness play any part in the schlorship?

the ROTC schlorships have nothing to do with the school right ?

i am really harping on the ROTC schlorships becuase that ist he only way my mother will allow me to go to a military colllege ( which i want ) ( she is quite the libral minded person, (no guns no war type ) the rest of my family fully supports me.

also what is your opinion on a 4 year schlorship as appose to the three or two year? A buddy of mine is at VMi now and he said that it is eaiser to get a schlorhip when you are at the school then actually apply for one before you are there( he is doing Navy Rotc , marine option )
 
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soccerfreak123 said:
i have already started studying for the sat i have a tutor once a week and i have been doing practice tests and vocabulary as well.

i am in a college prepatory school, i take all college prep calss except for English i take honors.

Does physical fitness play any part in the schlorship?

the ROTC schlorships have nothing to do with the school right ?

i am really harping on the ROTC schlorships becuase that ist he only way my mother will allow me to go to a military colllege ( which i want ) ( she is quite the libral minded person, (no guns no war type ) the rest of my family fully supports me.

also what is your opinion on a 4 year schlorship as appose to the three or two year? A buddy of mine is at VMi now and he said that it is eaiser to get a schlorhip when you are at the school then actually apply for one before you are there( he is doing Navy Rotc , marine option )
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Hi Yes ROTC scholarship has everything to do with Norwich. Im applying for some ROTC Scholarships. Do you know about FLC or LCW. they have camp where you can attend and find out what its like living as a cadet. I attended FLC this summer and LCW Im doing this Feb and an overnight.

Physical fitness yes you have to do as part of getting a ROTC scholarship.
 
1. The more honors courses you take - the better.
2. What are you taking for math? Make sure you are up to pre-calculus if not calculus your senior year.
3. Did you take chemistry and phyiscs? You should have both of those classes - honors if you can.
4. If your school offers AP classes then schedule one or two your senior year. If you are strong in English then take AP English and an AP History if possible.
5. You will need to pass a PFT. If you are a varisty soccer player then you should not have a problem - curl ups, push ups and a run (1.5 mile - I think). My daughter said it was pretty easy.
6. ROTC scholarship are offered by the PMS (professor of military science) at the school. It is possible to be offered a ROTC scholarship before you have applied or are accepted, if you are offered in the first round. Acceptance is dependent on admissions.
My advice - choose your schools wisely. Make sure they are a good fit. The second round offers come in March and May so you will most likely have an admissions decision by then.

Army ROTC scholarships are less competitive than NROTC scholarships so your friend is probably correct concerning NROTC. Go for the 4 year Army if Army is what you want - don't worry too much about what your friends say!
 
- i am taking algerbra II/ Trig this year and will take pre-calc next year
- i took biology freshman year, chem soph year, and am taking physics right now.
- i am goign to try to take AP english next year. my school isvery competative both academically and athletically. i was suspose to be taking honors history for the past two year but i missed it by .4 both times and they are strict with the numbers.
- curlups ?( situps same thing ?) umm.. there is a time limit for the pushups and site ups correct ? and is the 1 1/2 mile under 13 minutes?
- so say i get a ROTC schlorhsip to a school that is a like a reach for me ... i may not get accepted to the school but i can get an ROTC schlorship there so then they have to take me ?
 
Dont worry about your stats i got into norwich with a 80ish average (~2.5) and a 510math and 560verbal so your more than well off
 
Curlups - are like situps - elbows to thighs, I think. They and the pushups are timed - only 1 minute I think. If you can run the 1-1/2 mile in 13 mins I think you are good. Maybe someone who recently took it can elaborate more. Like I said you shouldn't have to worry.

If you are offered a ROTC scholarship to a school and that school does not accept you then you cannot use that scholarship. ROTC and the schools admissions operate independently.

One more thing - if you really really want West Point - then just apply. You have nothing to lose. If they really like you but your academics are not quite there you may be offered a prep scholarship or a spot at USMAPS. Always have a plan B.

Lastly- nothing irritates me more than having a high school tell a kid they cannot challenge themselve with difficult classes. If you are told you can't take an AP or honors class and you really want to take it then fight the decision. Public or private school - doesn't matter. Go to the teacher who teaches the class, go to your guidance counselor, go to the principal, go to your parents - just don't take an automatic NO for an answer. Rules were made to be broken and Policies were made to be rewritten.
Good Luck.
 
believe me i have tried to fight it, the academic dean is an MIT graduate( he's a preist) and i told him that i was intrested in the academies ( seeing as he did AFROTC maby he woudl understand but not at all) instead he told me that i would have a tough chance getting in to wp. If only things were eaiser.

also how do the summer programs at norwihc and vmi compare to that of west points ?
 
Of course it will be a tough road to WP but dont let him discourage you from at least applying and pursuing an appointment to WP. If ive always listened to the first opinions given to me id probably not even be going to college.
 
The key is to have a number of options available. Norwich, Citadel, etc. are very good schools where you will get your education as well as a commission in the Army. Try for USMA but remember that is not the only choice. Gen. Colin Powell was an ROTC guy at City College of NY, not exactly a noted military institution!:thumb:
 
that makes sense , does anyone know how the holy cross Rotc is , i believe that they have navy rotc but the college next to them has army rotc ( WPI). could i still get an army schlorship to holy cross even though the rotc program is at another school ?
 
Yes these schools are in what are known as consortia, that is students from one school can attend another for ROTC. Holy Cross is very good but it is very difficult to get into from an academic standpoint. Another one my son didn't get into:rolleyes:
 
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I am a proud VMI mom. You did not get many responses about the VMI experience. I can tell you from a parent perspective that is is both a torturous experience and a wonderful experience. All of the schools you listed are great schools with unique programs for their students. You have gotten good advice on here. If your heart is at a service academy, then pursue that but make sure you have a good back up plan. For goodness sake, find out what the physical requirements are for each program and practice, practice, practice. The requirements aren't hidden. Each school lists them and expects you to be familiar with them. If I can answer VMI questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
 
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