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flyboy

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i mailed in my acceptance form for my appointment today :)! does anyone know when i can expect my appointment kit? also, i might end up having to go to the last orientation date. do a lot of people go to that one?
 

AZcadet

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My guess is it should take three weeks. I wouldn't expect it much sooner. If that's the case, I guess you would have to go to the last orientation date.
But that's okay...That's when all the cool people are going:thumb:
 

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thanks for that hornetguy, but what does the +1 and +2 mean? and i can still go even if i haven't received my appointee kit, right?

another question that needs answering. i plan to buy my boots at orienation. how much will they cost me? thanks :)
 

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Many people that go haven't even accepted their appointment yet. So, do not worry.

The +# means how many in the party. A +1 means just that person while +3 means that person plus two others.
 

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okay, thanks. i am really excited to go!! i can't wait!!
 

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Congrats flyboy...you've earned it! Just remember to keep that motivation and when you graduate to listen to your NCO's! HUA
 

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If I accept the appointment while I'm there, do I get the kit right then?
 

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what does a non commissioned officer actually mean? and i have a question about placement tests. i understand that it is possible for me to take advanced classes/skip courses while at the academy if i do well on their placement tests. i could see how this would pay off, especially for my upperclass years when i want to pursue aviation related extra-curriculars. is there a way to study for these tests? are they worth studying for? where can i learn more about them? thank you :).
 

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NCOs are enlisted above the rank of E-4 (so Staff Sargeants and above).

Here's a rather large excerpt of mine from CC on validating. :)

Some highlights of my very STRONG feelings.


hornetguy said:
Originally Posted by me!
To add on, I highly HIGHLY (2011 can attest to just how adamate I am about this) validating as much as you can. It lowers your course load later as a cadet, and I personally think that the upper level classes are both taught better and more conducive to doing well. I am a chem major and the problems that my 4 digs bring to me blow my mind at just the nonsensical nature of what they are trying to teach. Many times I just can't help them. That has happened in Calculus as well. Again, I HIGHLY encourage trying to validate everything you can.
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Originally Posted by me!
The tests below do not require an additional test while here and an AP score of 4-5 on most will validate you:
English 111 (AP lit or lang)
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Originally Posted by me!
af16, if you took AP language (first english AP) and received a 4 or higher, then you do not need to take the literature exam, either one is good for credit here. I don't think you can validate history. And AP physics C is the only tests that can validate physics here.

Also, the honors classes are a lot of fun. My physics 110h class made trebuchets. My physics 215h teacher last semester explained so many things like LCDs, high performance speakers, and a huge list of things based on the concepts. The semester before me built magneto hydrodynamic drives and raced mini boats with them (which would travel at 20cm/sec). Can't do that in regular classes. Also, the grading curve in honors was based on the regular class. So, the top 2/3s of honors physics got A's and the rest got Bs (30 people). The top twelve? (ten for sure) validated the exam which was nice.

Here's what I validated at USAFA if anyone has specific questions:
Calc 1 and 2 (5 on AP calc BC)
Two semesters of chemistry (5 on AP chem)
Japanese 131/132
Biology 215 (5 on AP Bio)
English 111 (3 on Lang and 4 on lit)
Computer Science 210 (while not involved in the validation, 5 on AP comp sci AB)
Unarmed Combat I and II (tentatively)

And with these came these classes:
honors advanced calc 3
honors physics 110 and 215
honors comp sci 110
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Originally Posted by me!
Along with raimius, even with my language minor, no 7 class semesters. That is the NORM even WITHOUT a minor.

singaporemom- I have played volleyball as an intermural (Spring 4 dig year) and would have this year had I not been rudely told to do cross-country instead....They also offer it as a PE class. I don't know about a club though.

For validating. I will qualify, I did go to a very difficult high school. I can say that in truth. As in over 95% go to college, valedictorian at Harvard, other top ten peeps at other Ivies, and just about every AP course was offered there. The norm on the AP exams were above a 3. I had an easier time as a freshman here at USAFA than I had during high school. Including an average of 2-3 hours more sleep a night despite being a 4 dig. I still feel less stressed academically (and overall most of the time) here than in high school. So, yes, validating may not be the best for everyone, but hear me out:

You can drop back down a level if you think you won't be able to handle it. You get into Calc 3 and in a few lessons you are already drowning, so you drop back down to calc 2; can't go the other way. However, you can drop calc 3 at ANY time, including lesson 39 of 40 and it will be erased from your record. You can then retake it (if your major requires) or flat out not take it if you major does not. Chem 222 which is the class you take if you validate the first 2 semesters of chem counts as a whopping 9 credits (because it also includes the two semesters you just validated), but only chemistry majors are actually required to take it. raimius will tell you it is not easy, and if you are not chemistry inclined, it is indeed harder (not as hard as core in my opinion based on the material I saw classmates doing). But, I believe it is also droppable, albeit it must be done earlier.

However, I absolutely, without a DOUBT recommend validating English 111, Bio 215, computer science, and physics as they have no class you must take after completing them. (English 211 is sufficiently different from 111 to warrant saying this).

This is one of my biggest things for future cadets, so if you need ANY clarification, keep asking. More people NEED and SHOULD be educated on these topics.
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felt like jumping helped deal with the burdens. When my room mates had to spend 30-45 minutes each night on calc or chem and couldn't do everything else, I felt better not having to spend that same time daily due to the nature of the courses ahead of them.

I know so many people are coming on here and think that not validating will lead to an easy A, that is NOT an accurate thought. Freshman chem and calc are the PRIMARY reason 4 digs and 3 digs are on academic probation. Remember, MOST of these people came in with AP chem and calc under their belts, and so many still ended up on probation or doing very worse than they thought. I won't point out people, and won't expect them to identify themselves, but some CCers on here on on ac pro or not doing as well as they thought despite the credentials that most CCers have! PEOPLE, I REALLY AND TRULY FEEL STRONGER AND MORE SURE ON THIS THAN ANYTHING ELSE I CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK HERE ON CC.

Also, validating will not mean you are stuck in classes with upperclassmen. I took calc 3 and chem 222 with fellow freshman. We all knew each other and it was easy to find help among us when we needed it.

It also says something to me when my old room mates would curse their decision not to attempt to validate and go to advanced classes as they compared what I had to do to what they had to do. Even cadets here wished they would have tried to advance quicker.
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pima- I agree, you would think that common thought would dictate taking a second time would help. To be honest, half the stuff that 2010 did in calc/chem looked about as familiar as Chinese to me. They have dumbed down chem for 2011 and got them a better book, but I still think the material is worthless.

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So you are suggesting that if you get a 4/5 on AP you should validate and go one level higher? Out of curiosity, why are they having problems if they took AP and passed?
IRONICALLY, it is for the reason you stated above. The time needed to do well in those classes is not readily available to a 4 dig, unless you are REALLY good at time management, which most are not (I learned once I got here).

The head guy for UC told me when I had him for physical development that I should validate both with my credentials (again, hoping he lives up to his statement).

I am a 3rd degree blackbelt, 2x state champ, ranked 6th in world, won a national competition in Orlando (not national title per se, but at the nationals competition [singaporemom might kill me for not qualifying that ]). Been doing TKD since 1998.[/quote
Biology 215 (AP bio)
Physics 110/215 (AP Physics C, both exams respectively)
Not sure on this, but I think they might (check the site):
Economics (macro and micro i believe)

Require a validation test here (chem requires test and AP test):
Chemistry
Calculus one and two
Foreign languages

Any other current cadets feel free to edit my list if necessary. If you don't have AP physics, there is a validation test offered for that as well (very difficult though).
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Originally Posted by me!
pima- I agree, you would think that common thought would dictate taking a second time would help. To be honest, half the stuff that 2010 did in calc/chem looked about as familiar as Chinese to me. They have dumbed down chem for 2011 and got them a better book, but I still think the material is worthless.

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Originally Posted by bulletandpima
So you are suggesting that if you get a 4/5 on AP you should validate and go one level higher? Out of curiosity, why are they having problems if they took AP and passed?
IRONICALLY, it is for the reason you stated above. The time needed to do well in those classes is not readily available to a 4 dig, unless you are REALLY good at time management, which most are not (I learned once I got here).

The head guy for UC told me when I had him for physical development that I should validate both with my credentials (again, hoping he lives up to his statement).

I am a 3rd degree blackbelt, 2x state champ, ranked 6th in world, won a national competition in Orlando (not national title per se, but at the nationals competition [singaporemom might kill me for not qualifying that ]). Been doing TKD since 1998.
Only change is that the UC classes are being rewritten, so I won't be able to completely validate them anymore.
 

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thank you for that hornetguy, i do plan to "validate" as many classes as i can. i see the benefits and really truly want to do everything i can do go into higher classes and skip lower ones. however, how do i go about doing that? i have never taken AP classes, so i guess my only way would be to pass these "validation" tests, right? where can i learn more about them? how should i start studying for them? where can i take them? like i said, i really want to reap the benefits of taking higher classes and skipping lower ones, but since i don't have AP, what should i do? thanks :)
 

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You will take validation tests here in Basic or early in the academic year. Don't worry, you will be able to take them. Try to find practice tests of some kind for chemistry, physics, calculus (1 and 2), and a language if you know one.
 
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