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Hunter15

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Hello all,
I currently live on a large Marine Corps base so would it be beneficial for me to apply for a nomination to or make my number 1 USMA or USAFA instead of USNA? I do not have too much of a preference in terms of which academy I would like to attend and feel it would be more competitive for USNA then the other academies given the Marine option at USNA. Any insight or thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thank you!
 
For people to respond to the various parts of your post, it would be helpful to have some context:

Are you eligible for a Presidential nomination? Criteria are on the DoD service academy websites.

Is your state of residence the same one as the military base you are on? Your parents will know the answer to that, if one or both are in the military. You usually apply for 2 Senators and a Representative nominations from the state the military member is a resident of for state tax purposes.

There is no way to predict the competition. Much depends on who you are competing against in any given year on the elected officials’ “slates” of nominees, or other competitive categories.

Applicants are encouraged to apply for all nom sources for which they are eligible. If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on the SA.edu websites, I recommend it. And, read the sticky note pinned to the top of the Nominations forum.

I think you may be conflating “nominations” and “appointments,” hence the advice to go to school on the SA websites. The SA application is a complex, multi-part, months-long process that requires academic qualification, medical qualification, physical fitness qualification, plus a nomination. Many start getting organized and doing advance preps earlier in their HS years, especially in academic and leadership areas.

If your goal is to serve as a commissioned officer, which you would be doing for 5+ years after graduation from USNA, USMA, USAFA, USCGA, you would be smart to seriously research the officer specialty paths available out of each. The SA is a worthy way station, but it is just one of the ways to reach a goal of serving as an officer. Let’s say you didn’t get Marine out of USNA, have you put in the work to know what Navy options you might be interested in and willing to serve in for those years? Ditto the other academies.

Based on the many posters seen here on SAF, many also pursue alternate plans as a prudent path because of the challenge of being offered an SA appointment. They apply for NROTC (both Navy and Marine-flavored), AROTC and AFROTC scholarships and civilian colleges. Add to this to the challenge of the various nomination packages bring submitted, and you can see the scale of work.

I would assume you are not a senior in HS. There is good advice here on SAF and on the SA websites as to desired HS courses, academic profiles, summer programs, leadership opportunities, etc. There is no time like the present to get started on your research at primary sources to develop your plan of actions and milestones.
 
For people to respond to the various parts of your post, it would be helpful to have some context:

Are you eligible for a Presidential nomination? Criteria are on the DoD service academy websites.

Is your state of residence the same one as the military base you are on? Your parents will know the answer to that, if one or both are in the military. You usually apply for 2 Senators and a Representative nominations from the state the military member is a resident of for state tax purposes.

There is no way to predict the competition. Much depends on who you are competing against in any given year on the elected officials’ “slates” of nominees, or other competitive categories.

Applicants are encouraged to apply for all nom sources for which they are eligible. If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on the SA.edu websites, I recommend it. And, read the sticky note pinned to the top of the Nominations forum.

I think you may be conflating “nominations” and “appointments,” hence the advice to go to school on the SA websites. The SA application is a complex, multi-part, months-long process that requires academic qualification, medical qualification, physical fitness qualification, plus a nomination. Many start getting organized and doing advance preps earlier in their HS years, especially in academic and leadership areas.

If your goal is to serve as a commissioned officer, which you would be doing for 5+ years after graduation from USNA, USMA, USAFA, USCGA, you would be smart to seriously research the officer specialty paths available out of each. The SA is a worthy way station, but it is just one of the ways to reach a goal of serving as an officer. Let’s say you didn’t get Marine out of USNA, have you put in the work to know what Navy options you might be interested in and willing to serve in for those years? Ditto the other academies.

Based on the many posters seen here on SAF, many also pursue alternate plans as a prudent path because of the challenge of being offered an SA appointment. They apply for NROTC (both Navy and Marine-flavored), AROTC and AFROTC scholarships and civilian colleges. Add to this to the challenge of the various nomination packages bring submitted, and you can see the scale of work.

I would assume you are not a senior in HS. There is good advice here on SAF and on the SA websites as to desired HS courses, academic profiles, summer programs, leadership opportunities, etc. There is no time like the present to get started on your research at primary sources to develop your plan of actions and milestones.
Thank you for this very in depth reply! I am a junior in HS and I am eligible for the presidential nomination. I am living in North Carolina right now but my dad, who is the parent in the military, is not a North Carolina resident. I have been looking into the process of applying and will absolutely look at SA.edu. Thanks again!
 
Thank you for this very in depth reply! I am a junior in HS and I am eligible for the presidential nomination. I am living in North Carolina right now but my dad, who is the parent in the military, is not a North Carolina resident. I have been looking into the process of applying and will absolutely look at SA.edu. Thanks again!
In case I didn’t write particularly clearly, “sa.edu” is my made-up name for USNA.edu, USMA.edu, etc.

Since you’re a junior - thank you for sharing - I’ll paste in my standard advice to those just starting on this journey. You may find parts of it useful.
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This is my standard advice, which I copy and paste several times a year.

You are at the right time to begin serious research.



The service academy application process itself tests for qualities and attributes desirable in future junior officers: attention to detail, executive planning and organizing, time management, task prioritization, humility, perseverance, patience. Take ownership of the process.



If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on your sa.edu of choice sites, taking notes and starting to build out an extended timeline of action items and long-term due dates, now is a great time. That is your primary source, and most answers are there.



Do the same kind of research into alternative paths to commissioning, such as ROTC and related scholarships. That is a prudent thing to do, and shows no lack of commitment to an SA. Additionally, a college ROTC unit is another nomination source, if you find yourself re-applying after a SA turndown. There will be thousands of candidates building HS resumes with similar stats, plus college re-applicants; leave no opportunity unexplored. Presumably, your prime goal is to commission as an X officer, with USXA your preferred path. It’s not the only path. Re-applicants to SAs make up a chunk of each class.



Take this time to research all five of the Federal service academies, and subsequent career paths, so you can make an informed decision about ruling them in or out. It’s very important to look past the interim waystation of 4 SA or college ROTC years to see if there are at least a good handful of career paths you could see yourself doing for a minimum of 5-6 years or whatever the applicable minimum active duty service obligation is.



For those interested in a Navy career, don’t overlook the Navy Nuclear Power Officer Candidate (NUPOC) program and the Civil Engineering Corps (CEC) officer program (think SEABEEs). These are college programs with financial assistance, but no ROTC time commitment.



Go to your elected officials’ websites (2 Sen, 1 Rep), read and take notes on their service academy nomination process. They can choose submission deadlines, interviews or not, panel interviews, any method they want. If they are having a F2F or virtual info session, sign up and soak it in, so you are well-prepared for your cycle, even a few years out. Stay current with that site, in case the elected official changes.



Apply for all nominations for which you are eligible, including the VP at the DOD service academies. This gives the SA max flexibility, if they want to offer you an appointment, as to what nom authority they eventually charge the appointment to.



Go to the DoDMERB site, the entity which does the physical qualification of candidates. Explore each menu item on the left. This often turns into one of the most frustrating and time-using aspects of the process. Get smart on it now so you won’t be surprised. There are some medications that must be discontinued for a certain period of time. IEPs and accommodations also are off the table at a certain point.



Research the CFA or applicable fitness test for the SA or program of interest. Assess yourself and develop a training plan. Women, learn to do pull-ups. It’s worth more points, and you will value that strength and confidence. Do not procrastinate when it’s your cycle. Leaving it too late invites illness, injury, bad weather, family emergency or sudden non-availability of your test administrator or video person, if that is required. There are YouTube videos on various techniques Google Stew Smith’s website and YouTube videos; he’s a USNA grad, former Navy SEAL, now a fitness pro.



If you are a non-swimmer or not a confident swimmer, take some adult swim classes at the Y or other program to get more comfortable in a pool. Though the SAs will teach you to swim to meet various required tests, you don’t want to spend precious time in remedial swim. It’s a good life skill anyway.



Here on SAF, read the Stickies at the top of the Nominations and DoDMERB forums. There is also The Acronym List on the Home page if you haven’t found it yet.



There is a Search function tool inside SAF, and google works well when you include “site:serviceacademyforums.com” in the string. The same questions come up every year. The “Chance Me” and “stats” threads can be illuminating as to ideas for summer leadership programs such as Boys State and Girls State, and other competitive elements. The SA summer programs in your rising senior summer are worth looking into to get a feel for that SA.



There is no one cookie-cutter magic formula; a class is made up of individuals who bring different combinations of strengths.



If you are not involved in a sport, be sure you prepare well for the CFA to prove basic physical ability, and also ensure your other activities supply the leadership, collaboration skills, work ethic, time investment and discipline learned in a sport.



Don’t overlook the Senior Military Colleges (SMCs), which offer a military-type environment and structure, as well as paths to a commission. Some are only Army ROTC; some have Army plus other service ROTC.

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List of Colleges & Universities | GoArmy.com

The Army ROTC training program is held at select schools across the country. Visit goarmy.com for a list of these military colleges & universities.



Research the state maritime academies, which also offer commissioning programs.

Maritime Academies | MARAD

Studying merchant marine operations at the university level is a core component of MARAD's education strategy; particularly its essential responsibility to meet national security needs and maintain maritime defense readiness. The six maritime academies and USMMA meet that need by educating young...

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Create your organization system - binders, folders, spreadsheets, calendars, wall boards, whatever works for you to plan, track and execute. Many apply to multiple SAs, nom sources, ROTC scholarships, ROTC schools, etc.



Finally, stay flexible and open to the paths that open before you. The key is to show sustained performance, personal growth and achievement in a well-rounded person.
 
DD went through this last year and it can be confusing about where to apply for nominations if you are a military child. After speaking with representatives from the state we were living at the time, the general consensus and practice was to apply for a nomination from the state in which your parents were legal guardians and where they vote.
 
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