Youngest son no athletics

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Next year my youngest son will be going to one of two math science academies, exposing himself to competitive academics, while the opportunity cost is no varsity athletics. Irregardless of the cost of varsity athletics, academics are the key. He will be an active student, but will no longer have access to varsity football, or track. He may see about starting a wrestling club, but the odds of that are minimal.

He wants to attend a service academy, but he’s a sophomore and at end of year will have completed every in person math offering at his high school
 
As I advise my younger students, and homeschoolers, there are other ways to participate in sports. I imagine you are familiar with the different options. One to explore is that some private (and even local public) schools allow 'outside students' to participate in their sports programs. Other options include:
  • Baseball and Softball, including summer leagues affiliated with Babe Ruth, Travel Teams, American Legion and others
  • Basketball, such as a local YMCA or Boys & Girls Clubs
  • Swimming, tennis or gymnastics at a local club that may participate in competitions
  • Track/cross-country, find a running club and participate in 5k and 10k races
  • Flag Football, note that recently the NFL has promoted leagues that you might join or initiate in your community
  • Other club sports or other recreational leagues (YMCA and similar)
  • Martial Arts, such as Karate, Judo, Jujitsu and others
  • Spartan races
  • Crossfit (both regularly at a club/gym and local competitions)
  • Using a local trainer for fitness, weightlifting, boxing and other activities

    I'm sure some others will provide additional ideas and suggestions. Good luck!​
 
Next year my youngest son will be going to one of two math science academies, exposing himself to competitive academics, while the opportunity cost is no varsity athletics. Irregardless of the cost of varsity athletics, academics are the key. He will be an active student, but will no longer have access to varsity football, or track. He may see about starting a wrestling club, but the odds of that are minimal.

He wants to attend a service academy, but he’s a sophomore and at end of year will have completed every in person math offering at his high school
You probably already know this as well, but make he has a way of demonstrating leadership. One of those ways is a varsity captaincy. Absent that option, look for another way.

Starting a wrestling club is super interesting. What about coaching youth sports? Umpiring? My boys ran club track, and they were leaders, there (run warmups, etc).

Fingers crossed we see one of your kiddos, or better yet, both of them!!
 
Next year my youngest son will be going to one of two math science academies, exposing himself to competitive academics, while the opportunity cost is no varsity athletics. Irregardless of the cost of varsity athletics, academics are the key. He will be an active student, but will no longer have access to varsity football, or track. He may see about starting a wrestling club, but the odds of that are minimal.

He wants to attend a service academy, but he’s a sophomore and at end of year will have completed every in person math offering at his high school
Is he able to participate in athletics at his zoned school or another local school? In our area, students are allowed to participate in extracurricular/sports at another school if the school they attend doesn't offer that sport or club.
 
Is he able to participate in athletics at his zoned school or another local school? In our area, students are allowed to participate in extracurricular/sports at another school if the school they attend doesn't offer that sport or club.
Nope….its all different here. Actually he will be attending university classes on campus and graduating with 60 plus college hours. While doing so he will still be “enrolled” in his “home school.” One of the trade offs is no athletics m-f. The facilities and access to academic offerings just trump Friday night lights.

If astrophysics or science engineering consumes him, he will hopefully have multiple difficult decisions to make senior year.
 
If he likes to swim-get a lifeguard and WSI certification. And work summers - a little sporty, epic shortages everywhere of high schoolers able and willing to work that job/and working is always a good look. Spend the time available for sports on something active and useful that will help personal growth
 
Next year my youngest son will be going to one of two math science academies, exposing himself to competitive academics, while the opportunity cost is no varsity athletics. Irregardless of the cost of varsity athletics, academics are the key. He will be an active student, but will no longer have access to varsity football, or track. He may see about starting a wrestling club, but the odds of that are minimal.

He wants to attend a service academy, but he’s a sophomore and at end of year will have completed every in person math offering at his high school
I'm not sure if you're asking a question with this post. Are you asking for feedback as to whether this is an ideal path for competitive colleges and the SAs? Academically it will prepare him for greater challenge - seems to be no question of that benefit. Are you posting this to in a sense declare your belief that regardless of what the admission statistics say, you feel academics, not athletics, matter to the SAs? Based on what, if so? How can we help you?

Were you my best friend, and advising your son will have no athletics because he'll be in a coveted, elite academy for math/science, I would both congratulate your son on this new school and opportunity, and constructively challenge him to find a way that physical fitness and evolving /improving and then maintaining a high level of fitness will be central to his life as it will be as an officer too.

Recommend...
1. Find a way to have athletics be central to his life, and to participate if possible in a way that provides advancing leadership responsibility. I like the post above about options.
2. review the statistics of the recent class of 2027, 2028 at these SAs to see what percentage have athletics, leadership (and for that matter other areas too - eagle scout (now for girls and boys (must achieve before turning 18), girls/boys state, officer for the class, etc.

The other thing here - if your goal is to commission and serve - then with 60 undergrad credits in hand/ maybe more with AP credits, why not go ROTC or OCS, get a degree in 2.5 -3 years - maybe less, and then commission and serve. You'll have to do 4 full years at the SA. Not so at say Princeton (if you test out), Penn State, etc. Use their undergrad credit transfer portal to confirm.

Just don't confuse academic excellence ( straight As with a demanding courseload of either AP/ college dual credit,etc.) as a guaranteed mulligan for a well rounded candidate. Keep the "as opposed to whom?" question - sure some don't excel but many of the candidates are also academically gifted/ rock stars who are 2-3 team sport captains, leaders, etc.

Beyond the SA, if you're an officer leading soldiers, you need to exceed the physical fitness/ lead from the front, not pass by the minimum.

Guaranteed Mulligan- hey, I think I just found a new name for my garage band. Good luck to your son in his next academies/ college and in his pursuit to train and serve.

I'll add this - it doesn't stink to get offers from Army, Navy, Air Force because you checked so many boxes in what they are looking for that you have all the options in front of you on where to go. Academic excellence and rocking the PRT/ fitness test will help, but no athletics sounds like a gap to me. Think about where you want to be and make the plan. Good luck to you.
 
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I'm not sure if you're asking a question with this post. Are you asking for feedback as to whether this is an ideal path for competitive colleges and the SAs? Academically it will prepare him for greater challenge - seems to be no question of that benefit. Are you posting this to in a sense declare your belief that regardless of what the admission statistics say, you feel academics, not athletics, matter to the SAs? Based on what, if so? How can we help you?

Were you my best friend, and advising your son will have no athletics because he'll be in a coveted, elite academy for math/science, I would both congratulate your son on this new school and opportunity, and constructively challenge him to find a way that physical fitness and evolving /improving and then maintaining a high level of fitness will be central to his life as it will be as an officer too.

Recommend...
1. Find a way to have athletics be central to his life, and to participate if possible in a way that provides advancing leadership responsibility. I like the post above about options.
2. review the statistics of the recent class of 2027, 2028 at these SAs to see what percentage have athletics, leadership (and for that matter other areas too - eagle scout (now for girls and boys (must achieve before turning 18), girls/boys state, officer for the class, etc.

The other thing here - if your goal is to commission and serve - then with 60 undergrad credits in hand/ maybe more with AP credits, why not go ROTC or OCS, get a degree in 2.5 -3 years - maybe less, and then commission and serve. You'll have to do 4 full years at the SA. Not so at say Princeton (if you test out), Penn State, etc. Use their undergrad credit transfer portal to confirm.

Just don't confuse academic excellence ( straight As with a demanding courseload of either AP/ college dual credit,etc.) as a guaranteed mulligan for a well rounded candidate. Keep the "as opposed to whom?" question - sure some don't excel but many of the candidates are also academically gifted/ rock stars who are 2-3 team sport captains, leaders, etc.

Beyond the SA, if you're an officer leading soldiers, you need to exceed the physical fitness/ lead from the front, not pass by the minimum.

Guaranteed Mulligan- hey, I think I just found a new name for my garage band. Good luck to your son in his next academies/ college and in his pursuit to train and serve.

I'll add this - it doesn't stink to get offers from Army, Navy, Air Force because you checked so many boxes in what they are looking for that you have all the options in front of you on where to go. Academic excellence and rocking the PRT/ fitness test will help, but no athletics sounds like a gap to me. Think about where you want to be and make the plan. Good luck to you.
Always looking for suggestions and feedback. If it’s a criticism, it’s of the educational system where a student such as my son cannot have both. Excellent teachers….constrained….to dictates and mandates.
 
If he likes to swim-get a lifeguard and WSI certification. And work summers - a little sporty, epic shortages everywhere of high schoolers able and willing to work that job/and working is always a good look. Spend the time available for sports on something active and useful that will help personal growth
Sadly, while that recommendation might be good for a lot of other schools, it is less helpful for service academy candidates from competitive districts because they will have lots of competition who do the jobs AND a sport while doing a grueling academic schedule. For instance, my final two BGO interviews this cycle were very high level High School AND club athletes while still working part time through the year. Strong academics and test scores as well. One was a contender for state championship in their sport so very high level athletically and the other was high level but not quite that elite. .
 
Sadly, while that recommendation might be good for a lot of other schools, it is less helpful for service academy candidates from competitive districts because they will have lots of competition who do the jobs AND a sport while doing a grueling academic schedule. For instance, my final two BGO interviews this cycle were very high level High School AND club athletes while still working part time through the year. Strong academics and test scores as well. One was a contender for state championship in their sport so very high level athletically and the other was high level but not quite that elite. .
With liberty and justice for….all? Hard giving up wrestling….extremely hard. But the institution he is going to has access to a space science center that produces astrophysicists and space engineers. They also work in conjunction with NASA on projects.

At the very least, he can consider it emphasis on plans b and c….maybe even D and e
 
Next year my youngest son will be going to one of two math science academies, exposing himself to competitive academics, while the opportunity cost is no varsity athletics. Irregardless of the cost of varsity athletics, academics are the key. He will be an active student, but will no longer have access to varsity football, or track. He may see about starting a wrestling club, but the odds of that are minimal.

He wants to attend a service academy, but he’s a sophomore and at end of year will have completed every in person math offering at his high school
Current Arkansas Math and Science student here. We also have no athletics and take all college classes. What I did was talk to local schools and enrolled in their swim and bike teams. I also founded the volleyball club on campus. Finally, I did as many leadership things as I could. Examples include presidents of clubs and student council chair. I can only speak for Arkansas but the academies know we do not offer sports and allegedly do not hold it as much against us because of it. I am hoping for an appointment soon and hope your son gets one too!
 
With liberty and justice for….all? Hard giving up wrestling….extremely hard. But the institution he is going to has access to a space science center that produces astrophysicists and space engineers. They also work in conjunction with NASA on projects.

At the very least, he can consider it emphasis on plans b and c….maybe even D and e
I was not commenting on your decision on the proposed path but instead on the concept that being a lifeguard for a summer job would replace athletics and the further assertion that sports were wasted time.
 
I was not commenting on your decision on the proposed path but instead on the concept that being a lifeguard for a summer job would replace athletics and the further assertion that sports were wasted time.
Sports when accessible and ran appropriately are eseential to the revealing of character in any student. Especially the beautiful sport of wrestling
 
Not to directly challenge your son's choices or dreams, but as a thought exercise have your son describe what he wants to do as an adult, and then have him consider the life of a junior officer. How many of them really get a chance to work with NASA vs how many are doing junior officer tasks that are far from interesting. I don't know him or his plans, he may just be sucking in as much math as possible today and later on be happy as a JO just leading a platoon or section and grinding through the daily paperwork. But there are relatively few O1 jobs out there doing research or hands-on engineering compared with the much higher percentage that lead troops or fly.

I guess you hinted at that choice coming up in a couple years, but it's worth pressing him to develop a Why regarding the service academy journey. It's very different from normal school and a normal career, and this trade-off will be the first of many. If he just wants to serve his country there are plenty of ways he can stay academics-forward and not be constrained to a military life. Lots of room for math heads doing cryptography at NSA, get a job working directly for NASA, and there are plenty of other three letter agencies on the hunt for top talent as well. Here are a couple things the esteemed Capt MJ used to share. It's early and he sounds like he's still feeling his way, which is healthy and a sign that he's weighing things carefully, so I'm just offering this to augment his options.
(Note the DoD SMART scholarship, the Cyber Service Corps, etc.)

 
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