AFROTC - Official Transcripts from all prior/current universities

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  1. mercy1

    mercy1 New Member

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    I'll be joining the AFROTC detachment at my university this FALL as a AS250 and I'm planning on just sending the official transcripts from my current university. I studied for four semesters in another university before applying as a freshman in my current university and I failed several classes that will put my current GPA of 3.63 in Computer Engineering below the 2.5 that I need to stay and compete in the program.

    Since they will have my SSN, will they know in how many universities I have studied?
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    Whether they know how many universities you attended or not (at the current time) send in all the transcripts anyway. Eventually they will know and what will you do then when they discharge you? The coverup is always worse than the crime, and in this case I don't think there is much of a crime worth hiding.
     
  3. Pima

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    If your university is like my DSs, your 1st university transcript is on record with them. There is no need for your SSN to do a background search.
    ~ My DS2, (non-ROTC) went to a CC and transferred to the 4 yr as a junior. His 4 yr gpa is different because they only use his cgpa at the current school for his standing, the CC cgpa does not count.

    However, from what I know for AFROTC, they will use both. In essence, it will not be the 3.6.

    That being said, I was always under the impression only contracted cadets (scholarship/POC), must have 2.5 to participate.

    I would contact the unit. Ask them what is the avg cgpa for your major regarding SFT selection. How far off are you from 2.5. The avg tech cgpa is 3.0. 1 more semester can mean you will be closer to 3.0.

    The biggest chunk for SFT is not cgpa. It is CoC ranking. A low cgpa can be offset with a high AFOQT. Have you started to study the AFOQT?
    ~ High AFOQT and PFA can offset a low cgpa.

    There are cadets with a 2.7 cgpa tech that get SFT, but those same cadets hit out of the ball park their AFOQT and PFA, with at least a top 1/3rd ranking.

    Use the next few months wisely. Show up on day 1 ready to max the PFA. Form matters. AFOQT is akin to the ACT. It is timed. If you want rated, than try to get in some flight hours in over the next year.

    Don't give up, and by contacting them privately now, AND scoring high on the PFA/AFOQT, as a 250 you can shine, which in turn means rising to the top for the CoC ranking.
    ~ Hiding your academic history, impo, only hurts. Honesty, shows maturity and dedication to them.
     
  4. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    AFROTC uses grades from every university you attend to come up with your AFROTC gpa. They need your old transcripts anyways and they will factor those old grades in to your gpa now and that's what will go into your package. I suggest you talk to the cadre about this before you do anything drastic.
     
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  5. Pima

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    Could not agree more! Talk to them now and discuss your path to be competitive for SFT selection.

    The worse thing you can do in the AF is to behind the 8 ball.

    Nobody here can help you with regards to SFT, only your unit can assist in this aspect.

    You do not want to be THAT squeaky wheel, but a 1 time 1 on 1 will be all you need to be successful. The key is that you listen to what they say, even if they are vague.
    ~ IF you do this, than your chances will increase.
    ~~ Sounds vague, but it is not. Essentially they are saying DO this.

    Don't be that cadet that requires constant attention and reinforcement.

    You know where your short fall is right now...cgpa. Get a 90 AFOQT and a 99 PFA and they will see that your cgpa from the 1st university was youthful indiscretion. You grew up. They can get behind you.
    ~Get a 60 AFOQT, and 88 PFA and oh well, impo, they won't be ranking you above the top 1/2.

    Something cadets do not understand is that every officer in your detachment is ADAF. They will go up for promotion, and how the unit performs nationally will be part of their record.
    ~ They have a stake in this equation too. To be honest, more than you. If they are not selected for promotion, there is a chance they will be cut loose. This is not a stipend, or 18-25K tuition, it is as an O3/4 their paycheck.
    ~ The CoC has to place into the equation how the selection rate for cadets can impact their PMS.

    You have 6-9 weeks before you report. Use them wisely. Study, work out, and if you want to go rated, fly.
     
  6. Sled

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    Give them the transcripts for every class you have took. They will ask you if you have took any other classes and if you don't give them that information it is an integrity issue. If and when they find out you will be let go. Trust me, it is very clear that you need to have every class on record and the last thing you want to do especially as an officer is lie. If you didn't give them the information your very first step would be a lie. There is no other option.
     
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  7. WannaBeOfficer

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    My advice, and I went through the exact same thing, take easy classes in the Fall. You also may not be able to take the AFOQT after they calculate your cGPA. If your cGPA is below a 2.5, they don't let you take it. I would suggest, if possible, doing the 100 route. It'll give you a lot more time to bring your GPA higher, and your last semester in rotc, you only have to take your AS class. But yes, you have to divulge everything. Are you an older student? If you have any questions feel free to ask. I have literally done the exact same thing you're doing.
     
  8. Pima

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    I am not sure they can do 100, unless they intend to graduate in 2019. If the intend to graduate/commission 2018, than I believe they have to do the 250 route.
     
  9. WannaBeOfficer

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    OP may not be able to take the AFOQT this semester, since his cGPA won't be above a 2.5. If OP can extend his degree out an extra semester, then doing the 100 route would be an option. I went through the same thing, I was a 250 fall of 2013, decided to go the 100 route and extended out my degree a year. Since I didn't get an FT slot this year, I'm going back as a 500 to try again. My grad date is still the same, as I will just be taking graduate classes my last year of ROTC.
     
  10. Sled

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    I did what people are suggesting. I came in late and extended since it works with my degree and getting a CPA. If OP can do that he will be in a much better situation.
     

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