AFROTC Pilot Slots

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  1. nakeddingo62

    nakeddingo62 New Member

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    I know AFROTC pilot slots should be released soon. Has anybody heard any word on when? I have been told that Feb 20th will be the very latest. The wait is killing me........:eek:
     
  2. Pima

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    The fact is anyone in the know would not publish it on the internet.

    If you have a good PCSM, you should be fine. The thing is from reading your post you want pilot, and you need to remember CSO, ABM and RPA are also on the table too!

    Are you ready for ABM? If not, than Feb 20th will be here faster than you wanted.
     
  3. nakeddingo62

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    I would not expect anybody to post information that is not supposed to be made public. However, in the past some cadre from detachments have received word from the selection boards saying that they expect to have results released soon. Just wandering if any other dets have gotten an an early word.

    I'm pretty confident with my PCSM. Our det usually has a high 90% selection rate for rated slots so hopefully the same holds true for this year. Fingers are crossed. I dont know if i can sit in a box in nevada for the rest of my career flying an RPA.
     
  4. Pima

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    I believe last yr overall the rate was 93% nationally for all rated slots. I am sure you will do fine.

    However, let's be real somebody has to get ABM, CSO or RPAs
     
  5. rotc105

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    Question about rated

    Pima,

    I understand your the expert for questions regarding AFROTC. I remember reading some of your responses last year regarding EA's. Fortunately that wait is over and now waiting to here back on rated slots.

    My question for you was in regards to my major and how that will effect rated boards. I'm currently a Meteorology major and I heard from a cadet down at Embry Riddle that Meteorology majors will get classified into a separate category for boards.....is this true?

    Basically this cadet told me that due to the supply and demand of meteorologist they have set up a new rule in regards to how many will be allowed to pick up rated slots. I believe he said the top 25% can go rated and the rest will automatically transfer into meteorology for their AFSC no matter how they do at the boards.

    I was hoping you could shed some light on this matter. I talked to my Air Force instrutor and he told me he had not heard of such a thing.

    Anyways sorry for the long message and appreciate your help.
     
  6. Pima

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    Thank you for the compliment, but I am by no way, shape or form the go to person. I am someone that belongs to multiple social media networks like this, and has a great memory, thus I usually post things from that perspective. My perspective is seeing the forest for the trees. You are probably looking at the forest only.

    Now with that being said, I am with the cadet who told you that info.

    Meteorology majors are currently being classified as critical manning like EE and nursing majors.

    It is highly probable and likely that your major will impact the ability to go rated.

    That being said, your instructor can be correct too because you are at ERAU.

    This is where the confusion starts. ERAU get the most rated slots, 2nd to the AFA, but the problem is statistically they are not the 2nd from a % perspective due to the size of the det.

    Yet, because it is ERAU, they may have never seen it happen, and your instructor is correct.

    Sorry, but there is too much unknown to give you hope. What is your cgpa? Your SFT ranking? Your PFT? Your TBAS? Your PCSM?

    You are assuming that your major will be the hiccup, but even if meteorology is not considered critical manning. the equation is so much bigger than you are imagining.

    You want rated, I get it, but the bigger question is will you be happy with any rated slot?

    Another poster earlier today asked about the release date and said they can't imagine being in a box flying drones. That is your reality.

    Can you imagine being a drone pilot? How about an ABM? Would you want that over meteorology?

    If you decline a rated slot you can't get a non-rated slot from what I know.

    I would be more concerned about getting a rated slot you don't want over meteorology than anything else.

    I am sorry, but IMPO too many cadets think applying for rated = pilot or CSO. and forget it means ABM and RPA too.
     
  7. madisongf

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    My son was told they will hear next Wednesday the 13th, so I am not sure that is true for all detachments. Good luck!
     
  8. Pima

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    If they release on the 13th for one det., all dets will hear at the same time.

    The release is AFROTCHQ, it is not det by det.

    Basically, it is a list of every single cadet select nationwide, just like SFT or promotion boards for O4s.

    The only thing that may differ is the CoC may decide to pull each cadet in 1 by 1 the night before be the results are released.

    IOTW, @ 6-9 pm they call the individual cadet. They may inform them of the slot...UPT, CSO, ABM, RPA, or say show up at the det very early.

    For our DS, he got a phone call the night before to report at X time. Those selected for UPT also were told the same time. ABM, CSO, RPA and non-select were given different times.

    For UPT selects get those medical records in order soon. You will go to WPAFB if things have not changed for a 3 day TDY DoDMERB exam starting in June.

    Good luck.

    OBTW if you have any flight hours for PPL, think about getting the PPL because they will now waive IFS.
     
  9. rotc105

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    Meteorology cont'd

    Pima,

    Thanks for the reply. I didn't know they are waiving IFS for PPL!

    About the meteorology information I heard it from a cadet in my flight from field training. I don't go to ERAU but was going off the information since he learned it from his cadre.

    Again I was just hoping you could shed some light on the matter since it seems like I keep getting different responses from everyone. My current stats are below which I was hoping to be somewhat competitive for rated. With them changing the percentages for PCSM and other categorizes I just pray it will work out.

    And yes your right I will have to think about the possibility of getting other rated positions such as RPA, CSO, and ABM but just waiting to find out before I make those decisions.

    CGPA- 3.7 meteorology
    PSCM - 91
    FT- Middle third
    PFT - 99
    Commanders Ranking - Unknown
    Licenses - PPL (but I don't believe that helps for rated boards right?)

    Thanks again for your time.
     
  10. Pima

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    Actually you don't make the decision they make it for you. If you say no, it is all over.
     
  11. rotc105

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    rated

    I understand that..... definitely interesting how they changed up the policy for applying this year.
     
  12. Pima

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    Actually, it really hasn't changed. They now have added in RPAs,as a separate rating, but prior to that you still had the chance of getting an RPA, but it was determined during UPT.

    If I recall correctly from LY's numbers 91 PCSM is strong. If I also recall correctly although EE's are considered critical manning, there were some that got rated. I believe it was only 5% of all EE rated applicants, but 5% is better than 0%.

    Good luck.

    One thing to put into your equation is the impact of sequestration. Back in 92/93 the pilot pipeline went to a drip. Classes were pushed back, and smaller because of the training budget. Although the AF has not announced their flight training impact, but if they follow Army and Navy, it will change the picture.

    You could see no casual status before reporting to UPT. That means you might have to live with the folks for about a yr before reporting. This will also change your DOR since they take the avg between commission and report. For ex: DS's DOR is Aug. because he commissioned May 26th, reported Oct 1st. His UPT class is April. Yours would be Dec. That means your promotion to O2 would be Dec. and your longetivity pay would still be when you commissioned.

    It is not really a big deal, except for the fact you may be living with the folks for longer than you thought.

    OBTW, the new PCSM system is not really an issue, because everyone's scores changed just like yours, what didn't change was the top will still get their 1st choice.

    My curiosity is if the board put sequestration into their equation for selection, or are they going to hope for the best because the reality is you guys are about 2 yrs out before attending any rated school.
     
  13. nakeddingo62

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    Thank you for this info. I had just heard the same today from our cadre. Good Luck to your son if he is applying!
     
  14. aglages

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    FWIW - I realize this is a ROTC related discussion, but because it involves EEs and AF critical manning needs, I had my son ask his academic advisor at USAFA if this will affect his chances of a UPT slot. Her answer was no, he had the same "chances" of being selected as any other cadet not majoring in EE. Maybe it is different for USAFA grads....although that would be hard to believe. :cool:
     
  15. Pima

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    Agagles,

    Last year on this site and another site, the boards were littered with EE's not getting rated slots. I think I read only 1 EE that got it. Even at VT which is an engineering school the EE's didn't get them. So, it probably is AFROTC only.
     
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    Agreed. I remember reading those posts and at that time suggested to my son that he might want to investigate further before declaring EE as his major. He checked before declaring then and again recently. Still, supposedly he is on an equal footing with other USAFA cadets. But, as we well know....everything is subject to change in the AF and he insists that he would be willing/happy to pursue other AFSCs related to EE.....if necessary.

    My point was that it seems kind of "odd" that the critical manning needs of the AF (EEs and others) would only seem to apply to AFROTC. Perhaps last year was an exception and they (AF) were able to fill their needs solely through AFROTC.
     
  17. Pima

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    Agagles,

    You are forgetting AFA will always get first dibs, thus why it could be very different for AFA and AFROTC grads, just as They are different than OCS selections.

    If the EE cadets at the AFA want rated, that leaves a problem for ADAF, and where do they yank from?
    There is a thread on the AFA regarding why AFA over AFROTC. To me this would be why. You want to fly, the AFA is a basic guarantee. You have admitted remembering that last yr for EEs seeing that there was an overall 90% rate fo cadets,, but for EEs it was not 90%, it was probably 10%. It wasn't academics, it was manning. If they allow AFA cadets to go rated as an EE major, it brings me back to where will they get those EEs?

    Remember although AFA cadets find out in the fall as a C1C, and AFROTC finc out as C300s, AFA go AD immediately, AFROTC can be delayed 6-9 months another factor in the manning equation, in essence the same yr as the following AFA yr group.
     
  18. thatguyuj

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    Pima, I was talking about this to the NCOs yesterday at my det. They aren't doing it like quite like this anymore. Yes, each det will receive the results at the same time, but each det will receive a list with ONLY their cadets.

    Basically, last year, cadets were getting slots that they weren't supposed to be getting (this is through an error in the selection process/algorithm). Also, Det Commanders were calling each other telling other Commanders that such and such cadets weren't supposed to be on the list or C/Snuffy. Some cadets were initially told that they got pilot/cso/abm/rpa and then later had to be called back into the office to be told that there was a mistake and they had not received such a slot. It was a sticky situation for all involved.

    I have heard the 13th is the release date, but AFROTC HQ needs to double and triple-check the results just so the previous fiasco doesn't happen again. Due to this and writing of the e-mails/letters tailored to each detachment, there could be a delay in the results.

    I hope this clears up some confusion.
     
  19. Pima

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    What I meant by it is not det by det, but AFROTCHQ is they will have a release date given to the det by AFROTCHQ, What that means is they can know let's say on Monday afternoon, but AFROTCHQ will say to them they cannot release the info until 8 a.m. EST on the 13th. IOTW they will sit on it for 1 1/2 days.

    I do agree that believe it or not there have been yrs that they held back the release for a few days. I believe for DS back in 11 it was about a week or so late. Everyday it was will it come out today?
     
  20. madisongf

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    My son just texted me and said the pilot selection rate was 90% this year. What does mean Pima? Does that mean just UPT or does it include UPT, CSO, ABM, and RPA? I am military dumb when it comes to this stuff, so I really need to do some research. Let just say you are part of the 10% not picked...what happens next?
     

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