Army ROTC 2023-2024 1st Board

lingROTC said:
Just got notice, I won Air Force ROTC Type 1! Not sure AROTC and AFROTC, which one is more selective
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Air Force is definitely more selective, just in terms of the fact they want higher overall SAT/ACT scores and also are focused on STEM majors.

Theoretically, you can be an art history major and win a 4-year AROTC scholarship. I don't think that's going to fly with AFROTC. Pun intended!
 
lingROTC said:
Just got notice, I won Air Force ROTC Type 1! Not sure AROTC and AFROTC, which one is more selective
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Yea same I didn’t get sent but got Air Force which is weird because Air Force is supposed to be much more competitive. Maybe the first army board is more competitive than Afrotc.
 
raag said:
Yea same I didn’t get sent but got Air Force which is weird because Air Force is supposed to be much more competitive. Maybe the first army board is more competitive than Afrotc.
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Is the Air Force the one that meets every month to award scholarships?

Army first board is super competitive from what I hear. I mean, they only award 300 out of 3,000 scholarships in the first board. I don't think whether you get an offer from the first AROTC board is particularly indicative of where you stand overall.
 
pa-outdoorsman said:
Is the Air Force the one that meets every month to award scholarships?

Army first board is super competitive from what I hear. I mean, they only award 300 out of 3,000 scholarships in the first board. I don't think whether you get an offer from the first AROTC board is particularly indicative of where you stand overall.
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No they only have 2 boards and 1 board for space force. Air Force only awards 500 overall, so I’d think it’s more competitive than army
 
lingROTC said:
Just got notice, I won Air Force ROTC Type 1! Not sure AROTC and AFROTC, which one is more selective
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First congrats to you and all HSSP Type 1 winners - certainly getting a type 1 out of HS for AFROTC is competitive. It's something to be proud of.

OK - Which is more selective? Probably Air Force over Army (best guess) statistically. Which is more valuable/ coveted? IMO, Army over Air force - here is why.

I think every AFROTC winner should be aware that your scholarship is basically a 2 year scholarship, and then you have to be invited to advance and finish training and commission. For Army, Navy all options, there is more of a fairness factor - meet each of the standards - keep moving forward. Ultimately my DS received all 3 scholarships - got the AF 4 year HSSP first, but given their cast-aside mentality of starting with more than they need, meh, I'm glad he chose to train to be an officer through one of the other programs. He has a military bearing, strong interest - I knew he'd try to commission and serve. Didn't know where though. A lot of those people AFROTC cut 4-5 years ago had near full rides that they gave up to use the AFROTC scholarships. Then when they were cut those scholarships from the school etc were no longer available. sca---rew---ed. Also, research which Army or other ROTC branch schools might offer you room and board if AFROTC will not. Examples - outstanding grades, no write-up, by all accounts active AFROTC cadets are not invited to move forward after 2 years - I'm talking MIT and Cornell undergrads with near perfect grades, for a real example - all based on the needs of the Air Force. It's IMO cold and a careless practice. That said - if you want to fly an AF airframe, love the AF mission - space or regular, or want to serve in cyber or whatever for the air force, then pursue your dream and take your chances. Just be aware you might be cut anyway and be out on a lurch and after grinding it out to meet their standards.... But you do you - pursue your own dream.
 
CoasterToaster2552 said:
I was offered the 2-year ECP scholarship, and although I'm incredibly grateful for the offer it simply does not align with my interests and intents I had with going into the army, so more than likely I will reject it. On the other hand, from what I have read it is a take-what-you-can-get type of situation, and my odds of getting a 4 or 3-year from the next two boards are relatively low because of the offer. It's a tough situation to be in because I would hate to reject the only offer I might get. Does anyone have any advice/information that could help me with my dilemma? I really do want to hold onto hope for the next two boards, but I'd hate to bite the hand that feeds and be left with nothing at the end of the day.
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We're in the same situation. An earlier post replied to a similar question, stating these ECPs usually turn into national scholarships. We will still do the zoom call with the ECP college to learn more about the process.
 
raag said:
When will they be upgraded? So if I receive a 3 year on the second board when could it potentially be upgraded?
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Yes, that happened to someone we know last year. She got 3yr on 2nd board and then it was upgraded to 4yr after 3rd board.
 
flying2024 said:
Congrats to all of you getting your good news on scholarships! I am curious if any of the 4 year AROTC winners that are discussing scholarships above are non-technical majors? We are always hearing that you won't get a scholarship unless you are a technical major. Please let me know if you are a non-technical major and received a scholarship.
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We know a 4yr winner from last year who is criminal justice major. She initially received a 3yr and then it was upgraded after 3rd board.
 
Herman_Snerd said:
First congrats to you and all HSSP Type 1 winners - certainly getting a type 1 out of HS for AFROTC is competitive. It's something to be proud of.

OK - Which is more selective? Probably Air Force over Army (best guess) statistically. Which is more valuable/ coveted? IMO, Army over Air force - here is why.

I think every AFROTC winner should be aware that your scholarship is basically a 2 year scholarship, and then you have to be invited to advance and finish training and commission. For Army, Navy all options, there is more of a fairness factor - meet each of the standards - keep moving forward. Ultimately my DS received all 3 scholarships - got the AF 4 year HSSP first, but given their cast-aside mentality of starting with more than they need, meh, I'm glad he chose to train to be an officer through one of the other programs. He has a military bearing, strong interest - I knew he'd try to commission and serve. Didn't know where though. A lot of those people AFROTC cut 4-5 years ago had near full rides that they gave up to use the AFROTC scholarships. Then when they were cut those scholarships from the school etc were no longer available. sca---rew---ed. Also, research which Army or other ROTC branch schools might offer you room and board if AFROTC will not. Examples - outstanding grades, no write-up, by all accounts active AFROTC cadets are not invited to move forward after 2 years - I'm talking MIT and Cornell undergrads with near perfect grades, for a real example - all based on the needs of the Air Force. It's IMO cold and a careless practice. That said - if you want to fly an AF airframe, love the AF mission - space or regular, or want to serve in cyber or whatever for the air force, then pursue your dream and take your chances. Just be aware you might be cut anyway and be out on a lurch and after grinding it out to meet their standards.... But you do you - pursue your own dream.
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This is spot on. My partner advised my son against AFROTC for this very reason. You could have impeccable grades, etc etc etc but after two years, the AF very often yanks the scholarship.

He said as an Army PMS, he saw many many that went Blue to Green because of that.

If that does happen, an AFROTC cadet could be awarded a local ROTC scholarship from the Army, but there's no guarantee.
 
Does anyone know what the Physical Fitness Standards for contracting the AROTC scholarship are? It says the page is not found when I check the additional information on the ROTC portal.
 
Herman_Snerd said:
First congrats to you and all HSSP Type 1 winners - certainly getting a type 1 out of HS for AFROTC is competitive. It's something to be proud of.

OK - Which is more selective? Probably Air Force over Army (best guess) statistically. Which is more valuable/ coveted? IMO, Army over Air force - here is why.

I think every AFROTC winner should be aware that your scholarship is basically a 2 year scholarship, and then you have to be invited to advance and finish training and commission. For Army, Navy all options, there is more of a fairness factor - meet each of the standards - keep moving forward. Ultimately my DS received all 3 scholarships - got the AF 4 year HSSP first, but given their cast-aside mentality of starting with more than they need, meh, I'm glad he chose to train to be an officer through one of the other programs. He has a military bearing, strong interest - I knew he'd try to commission and serve. Didn't know where though. A lot of those people AFROTC cut 4-5 years ago had near full rides that they gave up to use the AFROTC scholarships. Then when they were cut those scholarships from the school etc were no longer available. sca---rew---ed. Also, research which Army or other ROTC branch schools might offer you room and board if AFROTC will not. Examples - outstanding grades, no write-up, by all accounts active AFROTC cadets are not invited to move forward after 2 years - I'm talking MIT and Cornell undergrads with near perfect grades, for a real example - all based on the needs of the Air Force. It's IMO cold and a careless practice. That said - if you want to fly an AF airframe, love the AF mission - space or regular, or want to serve in cyber or whatever for the air force, then pursue your dream and take your chances. Just be aware you might be cut anyway and be out on a lurch and after grinding it out to meet their standards.... But you do you - pursue your own dream.
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So if you are not invited to commission, you are left to pay the remaining 2 years and you are not able to commission into the AF? Does this mean your service commitment is gone? Also for something like cyber, won't that be in higher demand in the future? Also if you are not selected do you still have to be apart of ROTC? What are the chances a cadet gets their scholarship yanked as a Cyber and is it dependent on major?
 
sweetpea3829 said:
This is spot on. My partner advised my son against AFROTC for this very reason. You could have impeccable grades, etc etc etc but after two years, the AF very often yanks the scholarship.

He said as an Army PMS, he saw many many that went Blue to Green because of that.

If that does happen, an AFROTC cadet could be awarded a local ROTC scholarship from the Army, but there's no guarantee.
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Kind of a stretch to say 'very often.' Even in the controversial COVID year, over 70% made it through. And I'm sure the # is even higher for scholarship cadets, probably pushing 90% for scholarship cadets.
 
DJmav said:
Kind of a stretch to say 'very often.' Even in the controversial COVID year, over 70% made it through. And I'm sure the # is even higher for scholarship cadets, probably pushing 90% for scholarship cadets.
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When I search on google it says 82% and for a lot of high performing detachments its over 90%. I don't know if its worth choosing Army ROTC of AFROTC for this one reason. Still something to think about though.
 
Herman_Snerd said:
First congrats to you and all HSSP Type 1 winners - certainly getting a type 1 out of HS for AFROTC is competitive. It's something to be proud of.

OK - Which is more selective? Probably Air Force over Army (best guess) statistically. Which is more valuable/ coveted? IMO, Army over Air force - here is why.

I think every AFROTC winner should be aware that your scholarship is basically a 2 year scholarship, and then you have to be invited to advance and finish training and commission. For Army, Navy all options, there is more of a fairness factor - meet each of the standards - keep moving forward. Ultimately my DS received all 3 scholarships - got the AF 4 year HSSP first, but given their cast-aside mentality of starting with more than they need, meh, I'm glad he chose to train to be an officer through one of the other programs. He has a military bearing, strong interest - I knew he'd try to commission and serve. Didn't know where though. A lot of those people AFROTC cut 4-5 years ago had near full rides that they gave up to use the AFROTC scholarships. Then when they were cut those scholarships from the school etc were no longer available. sca---rew---ed. Also, research which Army or other ROTC branch schools might offer you room and board if AFROTC will not. Examples - outstanding grades, no write-up, by all accounts active AFROTC cadets are not invited to move forward after 2 years - I'm talking MIT and Cornell undergrads with near perfect grades, for a real example - all based on the needs of the Air Force. It's IMO cold and a careless practice. That said - if you want to fly an AF airframe, love the AF mission - space or regular, or want to serve in cyber or whatever for the air force, then pursue your dream and take your chances. Just be aware you might be cut anyway and be out on a lurch and after grinding it out to meet their standards.... But you do you - pursue your own dream.
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Where is this information found about a 4 year scholarship being a "2 year scholarship'? It is very clear in all documentation that it is a 4 year scholarship, so I would like to do some more research on this. Any direction would be appreciated.
 
flying2024 said:
Where is this information found about a 4 year scholarship being a "2 year scholarship'? It is very clear in all documentation that it is a 4 year scholarship, so I would like to do some more research on this. Any direction would be appreciated.
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They may be referring to being selected for Field Training, not sure though.
 
raag said:
They may be referring to being selected for Field Training, not sure though.
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Correct. The most accurate way to describe it would be, 4-year scholarship subject to being selected for field training after sophomore year, which is not guaranteed even with satisfactory performance the first two years.
 
raag said:
So if you are not invited to commission, you are left to pay the remaining 2 years and you are not able to commission into the AF? Does this mean your service commitment is gone? Also for something like cyber, won't that be in higher demand in the future? Also if you are not selected do you still have to be apart of ROTC? What are the chances a cadet gets their scholarship yanked as a Cyber and is it dependent on major?
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If you aren't selected for field training (and I think the proper term is not being offered an "enrollment allocation," but I'm sure an AFROTC person will correct me if that's wrong), then the scholarship is gone and you are disenrolled from AFROTC without further obligation. I believe some of these cadets are offered an opportunity to stay in the program another year, without scholarship, and compete again the following year for a field training slot. I'll leave it up to a more knowledgeable AFROTC person to fill in details on that and/or correct anything that may be wrong.
 
DJmav said:
Kind of a stretch to say 'very often.' Even in the controversial COVID year, over 70% made it through. And I'm sure the # is even higher for scholarship cadets, probably pushing 90% for scholarship cadets.
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This may be dependent on the school. He saw it being closer to 50/50. But... This was also ten years ago.

They weren't having as much difficulty making mission as they are now. I think he said this past year was the first time he's seen AF not make their numbers.
 
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