Army ROTC 3rd Board Results...

Also why all of sudden are there way less campus scholarships? just due to the fact they upgraded 250 more people?
Based on Montana's posts, sounds like there is less money for Cadet Command's scholarship budget overall. So, once you back out the national winners, there is less money going to the campus scholarships. It remains a mystery as to why they upgraded 250 scholarships instead of saving the money for ~ 80 campus based scholarships, but there are 250 people with a pleasant surprise. Maybe they felt like they needed it as a recruiting tool?
 
Based on Montana's posts, sounds like there is less money for Cadet Command's scholarship budget overall. So, once you back out the national winners, there is less money going to the campus scholarships. It remains a mystery as to why they upgraded 250 scholarships instead of saving the money for ~ 80 campus based scholarships, but there are 250 people with a pleasant surprise. Maybe they felt like they needed it as a recruiting tool?
I’ll admit upgrading that many is odd. Maybe they are still competing against the SAs and AF/Navy ROTC
 
My daughter committed to her #1 school back in October because of a unique program their mechanical engineering program offers. She received a 3yr AD at 3 of her other choices (#'s 2, 3, & 5). She is working on her letter of transfer request but is struggling with what exactly needs to be included in that letter or how long it should be. Does anyone have any words of advice I can pass along to her or know where she might see some sample letters? She desperately wants this transfer to be approved so she wants to make sure the letter is precisely what they need to see.

Thanks!
The letter can, and should be, simple. It doesn't need to be an advocacy piece. Read the instructions found at the "Additional Information" tab in the portal to make sure she does it right. Your daughter will need to accept the scholarship at one of the school's awarded. But at the same time she accepts, she can submit a separate request to transfer. She will need to separately upload her acceptance to School #1. The request to transfer just needs to be:

1. I have accepted my scholarship at School #2.
2. I have been accepted to School #1, and respectfully request my scholarship be transferred there because they have the [unique program in mechanical engineering] that I intend to pursue.

Good luck!
 
They can’t. USMA is a set cost and is known.
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Kid A is choosing between Harvard which is a high price school and is in state at Montana State which is cheap.
1 scholarship but $ difference is $100k

how do you budget that before kids commit to schools?

So the national process gets the “best” and then its easier to budget campus based once the national winners are set at school. And campus based gets the remaining $s

Also, its well known that Army ROTC is the nations largest scholarship source at $300 million per year.
But they have historical data I'm sure that gives them a pretty good idea of how many awardees will choose high-priced schools and how many will choose state schools. Then use that data to generate a blended rate and plan using that. And not only that, but doesn't the national board itself somewhat control where the scholarships go by determining which schools the scholarships are awarded to?

My point is that they should have a pretty good idea going in to the first board of an FY how many 4-year and how many 3-year scholarships they want to award for the year. And if they don't, they should. That's planning and budgeting 101. But my distinct impression is that none of the services actually do. And I don't understand why not. At a bare minimum, why not advertise, "We plan on awarding at least x 4-year scholarships, and y 3-year scholarships this FY." Then, after every board, publish the numbers. "A" files were reviewed, and x and y scholarships were awarded along with GPA/SAT/ACT and other assorted data (varsity letters, NHS, Boys/Girls State, Eagle Scouts, etc.) -- just like they do for the SAs -- as to who got which awards. But they don't do it, and I can't figure out why not.

Last thought. Why NOT make ROTC scholarships a known, set cost also? Isn't OCS supposed to be the variable safety valve?
 
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Thank you very much. Someone posted that all notifications have gone out, but another posted that applicant/s called school/s on Friday and were told that they have not yet gotten any notifications...grain of salt...

So will portals, in the next few days, go from B/UC to "thanks, try again next time" status?
Great question!
 
But they have historical data I'm sure that gives them a pretty good idea of how many awardees will choose high-priced schools and how many will choose state schools. Then use that data to generate a blended rate and plan using that. And not only that, but doesn't the national board itself somewhat control where the scholarships go by determining which schools the scholarships are awarded to?

My point is that they should have a pretty good idea going in to the first board of an FY how many 4-year and how many 3-year scholarships they want to award for the year. And if they don't, they should. That's planning and budgeting 101. But my distinct impression is that none of the services actually do. And I don't understand why not. At a bare minimum, why not advertise, "We plan on awarding at least x 4-year scholarships, and y 3-year scholarships this FY." Then, after every board, publish the numbers. "A" files were reviewed, and x and y scholarships were awarded along with GPA/SAT/ACT and other assorted data (varsity letters, NHS, Boys/Girls State, Eagle Scouts, etc.) -- just like they do for the SAs -- as to who got which awards. But they don't do it, and I can't figure out why not.

Last thought. Why NOT make ROTC scholarships a known, set cost also? Isn't OCS supposed to be the variable safety valve?
Why? Because YOU think they need to provide all this information? There are lots and lots of scholarships in this country and very few provide any feedback about why they chose a certain kid for their scholarship. In fact, from my experience as a high school counselor, many kids who are at the very top of the stats suck up most of the scholarships, while the kids that are just below those stats get NOTHING. That's just how it works. (But that's another soapbox.) Sure, the military is a government program and Americans like to see what the government does with every dollar since it is our tax money, but to say that a scholarship program from the government should provide this data and that data just so that you'll know more about who they are choosing, is a bit much.

Just like any other scholarship, you meet the deadline and apply, and hope you are selected. There is a TON more information out there for candidates to know about the selection process than when I applied more than 20 years ago for sure. There's also another opportunity to earn a campus-based scholarship when you arrive on campus. If someone wants to become an officer in the military, ROTC is a great route, even if it doesn't fund the entire college education. All a person can do is their best and compete with that they have. It is not the outsiders' job to understand why they chose who they chose other than trying to change the system to meet your own preferences. If you were in charge of the scholarship process, then you could do just that, but I personally think the obscure nature of the process allows them to find dedicated officers who have some choices in where they go to college.
 
I’ll admit upgrading that many is odd. Maybe they are still competing against the SAs and AF/Navy ROTC
Maybe they held more 4 years until the last board because everyone who didn’t have an ACT/SAT score was pushed to the 3rd board and they didn’t know what to expect? Then they compared those candidates to the 3 year winners and adjusted the 3 and 4 year awards once all applicants were reviewed?
 
Why? Because YOU think they need to provide all this information? There are lots and lots of scholarships in this country and very few provide any feedback about why they chose a certain kid for their scholarship. In fact, from my experience as a high school counselor, many kids who are at the very top of the stats suck up most of the scholarships, while the kids that are just below those stats get NOTHING. That's just how it works. (But that's another soapbox.) Sure, the military is a government program and Americans like to see what the government does with every dollar since it is our tax money, but to say that a scholarship program from the government should provide this data and that data just so that you'll know more about who they are choosing, is a bit much.

Just like any other scholarship, you meet the deadline and apply, and hope you are selected. There is a TON more information out there for candidates to know about the selection process than when I applied more than 20 years ago for sure. There's also another opportunity to earn a campus-based scholarship when you arrive on campus. If someone wants to become an officer in the military, ROTC is a great route, even if it doesn't fund the entire college education. All a person can do is their best and compete with that they have. It is not the outsiders' job to understand why they chose who they chose other than trying to change the system to meet your own preferences. If you were in charge of the scholarship process, then you could do just that, but I personally think the obscure nature of the process allows them to find dedicated officers who have some choices in where they go to college.
Just one person/taxpayer's opinion. But if they do it for the SAs -- which they do -- why do you think they do it? More importantly, why don't you think they should for ROTC the same way they do for the SAs?

I'll confess that I'm baffled by appealing to obscurity as a feature of any sort of publicly-financed selection system. But like I wrote, just one person's opinion.
 
But they have historical data I'm sure that gives them a pretty good idea of how many awardees will choose high-priced schools and how many will choose state schools. Then use that data to generate a blended rate and plan using that. And not only that, but doesn't the national board itself somewhat control where the scholarships go by determining which schools the scholarships are awarded to?

My point is that they should have a pretty good idea going in to the first board of an FY how many 4-year and how many 3-year scholarships they want to award for the year. And if they don't, they should. That's planning and budgeting 101. But my distinct impression is that none of the services actually do. And I don't understand why not. At a bare minimum, why not advertise, "We plan on awarding at least x 4-year scholarships, and y 3-year scholarships this FY." Then, after every board, publish the numbers. "A" files were reviewed, and x and y scholarships were awarded along with GPA/SAT/ACT and other assorted data (varsity letters, NHS, Boys/Girls State, Eagle Scouts, etc.) -- just like they do for the SAs -- as to who got which awards. But they don't do it, and I can't figure out why not.

Last thought. Why NOT make ROTC scholarships a known, set cost also? Isn't OCS supposed to be the variable safety valve?
I don’t know, but it’s possible that this year would be different from any of the historical data in terms of the big high-priced university admissions because of the change to test-optional most have embraced. I’ve read a bunch of articles about how theses universities are getting way, way more applications than normal because people who don’t have test scores at all or whose test scores would normally be too low to be admitted are competitive this year. Not saying I know any answers, just saying that modeling could be quite skewed for this incoming class anyway.
 
I don’t know, but it’s possible that this year would be different from any of the historical data in terms of the big high-priced university admissions because of the change to test-optional most have embraced. I’ve read a bunch of articles about how theses universities are getting way, way more applications than normal because people who don’t have test scores at all or whose test scores would normally be too low to be admitted are competitive this year. Not saying I know any answers, just saying that modeling could be quite skewed for this incoming class anyway.
Maybe, but regardless of however many extra applications there were, in the end they are all still going to have the same number of freshmen. Also, there was a suggestion earlier this cycle that at least with AROTC there were fewer applicants this year. No idea if that's true, but if true it runs counter to the increased number of applicants to high-priced schools.
 
Maybe, but regardless of however many extra applications there were, in the end they are all still going to have the same number of freshmen. Also, there was a suggestion earlier this cycle that at least with AROTC there were fewer applicants this year. No idea if that's true, but if true it runs counter to the increased number of applicants to high-priced schools.
There are definitely increased numbers of applicants to high-priced schools. Whether or not those applicants are also pursuing ROTC, I do not know. I’m not talking about an increase in freshman overall, I’m just saying there could very well be more of that same number of ROTC freshman going to big-ticket “prestige” schools which could impact budget in an unprecedented way.
 
My DD was awarded a 4yr on the third board to Georgetown, Villanova, and TCU. She has been accepted to all three ( nursing major if this changes anyone’s mind). She is visiting Villanova next week in person, Gtown isn’t meeting in person, and we aren’t sure we can get to TCU before this decision needs to be made ( she is meeting with both GTown and TCU virtually). Any thoughts on any of these programs? All are great schools and all great schools for her major. Any insight would be appreciated!
 
My DD was awarded a 4yr on the third board to Georgetown, Villanova, and TCU. She has been accepted to all three ( nursing major if this changes anyone’s mind). She is visiting Villanova next week in person, Gtown isn’t meeting in person, and we aren’t sure we can get to TCU before this decision needs to be made ( she is meeting with both GTown and TCU virtually). Any thoughts on any of these programs? All are great schools and all great schools for her major. Any insight would be appreciated!
Not sure if those three accept everyone into the nursing school then make the cut at the upper division (last 2 years) or you have to be accepted into the nursing school. If the former ask if rotc gets a guaranteed spot.

why not go to a school in person? Online school is hurting alot of kids.
 
My DD was awarded a 4yr on the third board to Georgetown, Villanova, and TCU. She has been accepted to all three ( nursing major if this changes anyone’s mind). She is visiting Villanova next week in person, Gtown isn’t meeting in person, and we aren’t sure we can get to TCU before this decision needs to be made ( she is meeting with both GTown and TCU virtually). Any thoughts on any of these programs? All are great schools and all great schools for her major. Any insight would be appreciated!
Congrats! My DD accepted her 4 year to TCU on the second board and is thrilled. While I do not know much about the ROTC program, other than it sounds great... Let me know if any questions about the actual school itself as it is wonderful and well known for Nursing. I graduated from there and have many other family members that are Horned Frogs as well. She would be glad to talk to her.
 
Not sure if those three accept everyone into the nursing school then make the cut at the upper division (last 2 years) or you have to be accepted into the nursing school. If the former ask if rotc gets a guaranteed spot.

why not go to a school in person? Online school is hurting alot of kids.
All three are direct admit nursing programs. Georgetown is saying they will be back on campus next year, but it’s unclear whether that means a return to anything resembling normal in terms of how classes meet or just allowing more kids to actually live on campus. My daughter does not want to go virtual, so that is a definite concern. Villanova and TCU are both in person this year so assuming it will be at least as good if not better next year. It’s just difficult to get a good feel for the culture of a school virtually and with travel restrictions at the kids current schools we have been limited on the ability to see much.
 
Congrats! My DD accepted her 4 year to TCU on the second board and is thrilled. While I do not know much about the ROTC program, other than it sounds great... Let me know if any questions about the actual school itself as it is wonderful and well known for Nursing. I graduated from there and have many other family members that are Horned Frogs as well. She would be glad to talk to her.
Thank you!
 
My son's acct still shows as "Boarded/Under Consideration" ... at this point does that mean he was not selected and the website has just not updated?

Also, interested in thoughts as to why he was not selected -- I would have thought he checked all of the boxes -- SAT 1550; National Merit Finalist; 1 of 10 males nominated from Virginia Dept of Education to US Dept of Education for Presidential Scholar Award; Eagle Scout Candidate (still a candidate at time of application); unweighted GPA 3.6, but has taken all honors, AP, and IB courses available since 8th grade; full IB diploma candidate with chinese as second language; 2 varsity letters; class vice president; selected for boys state, president and founder of several extracurricular clubs, including cyberpatriot team, did college-level research on computer encryption with a professor at Johns Hopkins. He also worked while going to HS, including as a sole contrator developing software for a local company.

He was a low pass on the PT test; but he did pass. He thought he did well on the interview but maybe not, that is the known unknown.

He got selected for Navy ROTC on their first board.

Any thoughts as to why he didn't get selected for Army ROTC this year?

Very interested in the thoughs of those more familiar with Army ROTC than I am -- Thanks!
 
My son's acct still shows as "Boarded/Under Consideration" ... at this point does that mean he was not selected and the website has just not updated?

Also, interested in thoughts as to why he was not selected -- I would have thought he checked all of the boxes -- SAT 1550; National Merit Finalist; 1 of 10 males nominated from Virginia Dept of Education to US Dept of Education for Presidential Scholar Award; Eagle Scout Candidate (still a candidate at time of application); unweighted GPA 3.6, but has taken all honors, AP, and IB courses available since 8th grade; full IB diploma candidate with chinese as second language; 2 varsity letters; class vice president; selected for boys state, president and founder of several extracurricular clubs, including cyberpatriot team, did college-level research on computer encryption with a professor at Johns Hopkins. He also worked while going to HS, including as a sole contrator developing software for a local company.

He was a low pass on the PT test; but he did pass. He thought he did well on the interview but maybe not, that is the known unknown.

He got selected for Navy ROTC on their first board.

Any thoughts as to why he didn't get selected for Army ROTC this year?

Very interested in the thoughs of those more familiar with Army ROTC than I am -- Thanks!
The AROTC process has a few components that are very important and the applicant gets very little (if any) feedback on how they did. The Essays are a big factor, the interview and the CBEF survey. No real way of knowing. Congrats to your DS on the NROTC!
 
My son's acct still shows as "Boarded/Under Consideration" ... at this point does that mean he was not selected and the website has just not updated?

Also, interested in thoughts as to why he was not selected -- I would have thought he checked all of the boxes -- SAT 1550; National Merit Finalist; 1 of 10 males nominated from Virginia Dept of Education to US Dept of Education for Presidential Scholar Award; Eagle Scout Candidate (still a candidate at time of application); unweighted GPA 3.6, but has taken all honors, AP, and IB courses available since 8th grade; full IB diploma candidate with chinese as second language; 2 varsity letters; class vice president; selected for boys state, president and founder of several extracurricular clubs, including cyberpatriot team, did college-level research on computer encryption with a professor at Johns Hopkins. He also worked while going to HS, including as a sole contrator developing software for a local company.

He was a low pass on the PT test; but he did pass. He thought he did well on the interview but maybe not, that is the known unknown.

He got selected for Navy ROTC on their first board.

Any thoughts as to why he didn't get selected for Army ROTC this year?

Very interested in the thoughs of those more familiar with Army ROTC than I am -- Thanks!
I'll second EEBTTF. Really hard to know with those qualifications, which are outstanding. I remember back in my cadet days we had a cadre member for whom PT was everything. That's all he cared about in terms of preparing us for camp, maxing the PT test. Needless to say, that's only one piece of a multi-faceted puzzle. Nevertheless, if your son had the misfortune of being interviewed by someone like that, well, that would be a very unfortunate mismatch.

Take that NROTC scholarship and run with it!
 
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