Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Mairborn, Feb 16, 2016.
Do all Cadets in Army ROTC have to do CIET? Is it mandatory?
What I've heard is CIET is mandatory for the contracted MS1 cadets and the MS2 contracted cadets who didn't go last year.
CIET is new and still trying to adjust.
Word is mixed, I think my school still intends to send only MS1s and MS2s who joined second semester or those who want to go. I don't think there is a mandatory rule yet, at least to my knowledge. However, I went last year and if you have no Army experience outside of ROTC at your school I would highly recommend it. Not gonna lie it kinda sucked and was babied down sometimes which got old, but if you have no other "Army stuff" to do this summer why not? You get some good leadership position time and living on post in barracks was a good experience. You also have some cool stuff like a week long FTX and go to the range and do the CS chamber.
In 2014, Brigadier General Peggy Toombs (Cadet Command) said this in an interview: (bold is mine)
Also in 2015, a new Cadet Initial Entry Training (CIET) course will replace LTC and will be required for all ROTC cadets who have not attended a military basic training course.
During CIET, cadets will be immersed in large group leadership opportunities, confidence training and basic field tasks that cannot be trained on most university campuses.
CIET will provide an additional leadership opportunity for SROTC juniors (MS IIIs) to serve as cadre and lead CIET units. We have already tested this initiative with pilot programs executed during LTC rotations this past summer.
Conditions have changed and the operational environment, technology and the learning sciences have changed.
Transformation of the Army’s senior ROTC program is critical to acquiring the talent and developing innovative and agile leaders for Force 2025
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No one knows...we are all still trying to figure it out, and Cadet Command is still trying to figure out how to train all the Cadets that might/should/would like to attend CIET.
We recently sent up our estimates of who we should/would send, based on 5 or 6 priorities. We have not received further guidance.
My son is not contracted yet, has a 3 year so will contract in August. He said he was told to attend, that contracted Cadets from his school were going. He will go June 22-July 23.
CIET 2016 schedule- 1st regiment starts Friday, June 3, 2016 - Sunday July 3, 2016; then a new regiment starts up every five days after, so 2nd starts June 8th-July 8th; 3rd June 13th-July 13th; all the way to 10th which starts July 20th- August 19th.
If anyone interested there was a thread couple of weeks ago Summer Training 2016. It provided some discussion on how CIET training dates were chosen last year. Obviously no guarantee same process this year.
Here is the link to that thread:
Anyone have any updates sent down through their CoC yet for CIET?
No real news from my DS yet. He indicated his cadre will give priority CIET scheduling to the cadets who need to return to college for summer session. Those who don't intend to attend summer, will be in the secondary group. No news on which regiment dates yet. DS says they will probably not know for a while yet....maybe weeks or even a month.
It looks like other non-contracted cadets are being asked to go to CIET too (DS is MS1 non-contract). What I'm wondering -does this mean they will be contracted before attending CIET, or have non-contracted cadets actually attended CIET? Thanks.
No. Non-contracted MS1 and/or MS2 can go to CIET . If 3 year AD, will contract beginning Sophomore year. 4 year scholarship already contracted. 3.5 when they are awarded same.
Contract does not equal scholarship. Many cadets have and will complete AROTC without scholarship and can commission. But to continue on in AROTC as juniors must contract, to go to CLC between jr. and senior summer. Both CIET and CLC now at Ft. Knox, Ky. Additionally to go to Airborne or dive school must be contracted. Understanding is majority of battalions require cadets be contracted to go for those limited spots of CULP and Air Assault but unsure if required to be under contract.
Pretty sure that for any sort of school (and CULP) you need to be contracted.
Surprised though, that non-contracted cadets can go to CIET.
You are correct- Airborne, Air Assault, CULP, all require to be cadet be contracted. Believe same for all the other Cadet Practical Field Trainings- Mountain Warfare, Northern Warfare, Cadet Field Training at USMA, SF Combat Diver Qualification Course, Cadet Leadership Development (Infantry) WHINSEC.
CIET, as of now, does not require cadets to be contracted. Which makes sense. Cadet Command plan is commencing 2016 every AROTC cadet who does not have enlisted basic, will need to attend CIET. If CC limits only to contracted then every 3 year AD or campus based scholarship, plus sophomore non-contracted, would have to go between sophomore and junior year, because they have CLC b/t junior and senior summer. Freeing up sophomore-junior summer allows contracted cadets to apply for CULP, and other cadet field training.
https://www.armyrotc.msstate.edu/training-opportunities/ has a good synopsis of available programs.
"Generally, in a typical year, the total number of CPFT allocations equals approximately ten percent of the cadet population at large. Battalion commanders will prepare, select and send to CPDT only those with the highest potential for completing the CPDT training and for being commissioned. Cadet Command pays for travel. Billeting and mess are provided by the installation in most cases. All cadets must meet the eligibility criteria to be selected."
MSIIIs also have additional opportunities:
Cadet Troop Leader Training (CTLT) track provides Cadets the opportunity to experience leadership in Army Table of Organization and Equipment (TO&E) units over a three to four week period. Cadets serve in lieutenant-level leadership positions in active-duty units.
Drill Cadet Leadership Training (DCLT) track four-week provides Cadets the opportunity to serve in a platoon leader or executive officer positions.
CTLT Internships opportunity to exercise specialized language, technical or research skills. Internships range from three to eight weeks long and can be conducted before or after the required CLC.
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