C/O 2019 Mailbox Stalkers

This thread has taken a heart-wrenching turn. Need to keep reminding myself how proud I am of my son regardless of what may come. Bottom line in life, If you're going to accept a challenge you cannot fear the outcome. Best wishes to everyone still in the game and also to those who now turn to Plan B.

Keep grinding.
 
93Sir,
I am so sorry to hear of your DS receiving a TWE. It really broke my heart reading it. I suspect we are in for it as well. Your DS certainly has nothing to be ashamed of making it this far is an honor! I am glad to hear he has an excellent back up plan! I hope he can focus on enjoying the rest of his senior year.
 
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93Sir, sorry and surprised to read your post. Out of curiosity, if you had to take a stab at why you think your DS may have not received the appointment, what would be your guess? I certainly don't mean to pry and please don't respond if it's uncomfortable to discuss. I'm just at a loss to understand. Secondly, which congressional district are you in? I think we've already seen two Florida Senatorial appointments posted on the 2019 thread (I didn't go back and check), are you in a particularly competitive district? I'm assuming you're from Florida I guess based on the FSU plan B. I would imagine areas around Jacksonville and Pensacola would be very competitive.
I absolutely don't mind answering your questions, as I wondered the exact same thing about every TWE that has posted. You nailed it! We are in Pensacola...hello cradle of aviation! And, between two major Air Force bases. So, heavy military kid competition here. The reason I believe he didn't remain more competitive among that group is for a couple of reasons. Even with a 4.0, he still was not in the top 25% of his class. I also believe his test scores could not hang with others. His composite ACT was a 29 but that was not because of his math score. He had to take the test five times to get the math up to a 26 (which put him in the stadium but not in the game) His English/Language was a 29, again, not what this area was seeing. Too bad they don't look beyond those two scores because his 32 in Science was of no consequence. He is taking Calculus and Physics Honors (strong A). Also, his letter said they are only offering 1132 appointments this year. Even though we knew he wasn't 'above and beyond' academically, we were definitely one of those families who were hoping for the whole candidate score to play into it. He is a world class competitive sailor. He was completely finished with his entire package (CFA, Medical, Nomination, all of it) by September 1. Again, hoping for points for being completed early. So, in the end, I would say he would have been looking at an appointment if we lived in a different location but that's not his story. I don't think he is the type that will try again. He will likely close this chapter of his life and embrace the next one. His goal is to commission and that will happen.

I will say this to those who are still waiting. There is no way to prepare for that moment. You've played the scenario over and over in your mind. Will I come home from work, gym, Target and see a big fat envelope leaning against the front door? Will my son/daughter get a call from his MOC and call me next? Will I open the mailbox door, hold my breath, and scan each envelope slowly until I find that "TWE"? When your eyes fall upon that return address "United States Navy 'Office of Admission', US Naval Academy" you will have a split second of excitement because your brain isn't quite registering what you are looking at. Then, it will be followed by a second or two of the most unexplainable peace as the acceptance washes over you and the unknown has ended. THEN, you will get that kick in the gut that will wash over you in waves throughout the night as you play out 'plan TWE'. Many candidates will have different reactions to the news. Let's just say there are few days in my parenting life as hard to watch as that moment. That big tough boy, in a man's body, held his composure while his eyes reflected a completely shattering heart. I have no doubt that composure crumbed later on his pillow. You will likely cry before your child does because the pride you feel for them in that moment will be overwhelming. And we are SO proud of them because they put all they had on the table.

If you are lucky enough to have a child with the grace that comes from being an official candidate for admission to the US Naval Academy, you will get a text at some point the next morning that says, "Happy Birthday Mom, just wanted to let you know that I am at peace this morning." And then, you'll cry again.
 
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I absolutely don't mind answering your questions, as I wondered the exact same thing about every TWE that has posted. You nailed it! We are in Pensacola...hello cradle of aviation! And, between two major Air Force bases. So, heavy military kid competition here. The reason I believe he didn't remain more competitive among that group is for a couple of reasons. Even with a 4.0, he still was not in the top 25% of his class. I also believe his test scores could not hang with others. His composite ACT was a 29 but that was not because of his math score. He had to take the test five times to get the math up to a 26 (which put him in the stadium but not in the game) His English/Language was a 29, again, not what this area was seeing. Too bad they don't look beyond those two scores because his 32 in Science was of no consequence. He is taking Calculus and Physics Honors (strong A). Also, his letter said they are only offering 1132 appointments this year. Even though we knew he wasn't 'above and beyond' academically, we were definitely one of those families who were hoping for the whole candidate score to play into it. He is a world class competitive sailor. He was completely finished with his entire package (CFA, Medical, Nomination, all of it) by September 1. Again, hoping for points for being completed early. So, in the end, I would say he would have been looking at an appointment if we lived in a different location but that's not his story. I don't think he is the type that will try again. He will likely close this chapter of his life and embrace the next one. His goal is to commission and that will happen.

I will say this to those who are still waiting. There is no way to prepare for that moment. You've played the scenario over and over in your mind. Will I come home from work, gym, Target and see a big fat envelope leaning against the front door? Will my son/daughter get a call from his MOC and call me next? Will I open the mailbox door, hold my breath, and scan each envelope slowly until I find that "TWE"? When your eyes fall upon that return address "United States Navy 'Office of Admission', US Naval Academy" you will have a split second of excitement because your brain isn't quite registering what you are looking at. Then, it will be followed by a second or two of the most unexplainable peace as the acceptance washes over you and the unknown has ended. THEN, you will get that kick in the gut that will wash over you in waves throughout the night as you play out 'plan TWE'. Many candidates will have different reactions to the news. Let's just say there are few days in my parenting life as hard to watch as that moment. That big tough boy, in a man's body, held his composure while his eyes reflected a completely shattering heart. I have no doubt that composure crumbed later on his pillow. You will likely cry before your child does because the pride you feel for them in that moment will be overwhelming. And we are SO proud of them because they put all they had on the table.

If you are lucky enough to have a child with the grace that comes from being an official candidate for admission to the US Naval Academy, you will get a text at some point the next morning that says, "Happy Birthday Mom, just wanted to let you know that I am at peace this morning." And then, you'll cry again.

I join a large group thinking "If that kid didn't get in...how will MINE?" Honestly, we are all thinking our kids have the character that the USNA is looking for. I know that standardized tests are like looking through a pinhole at the person on the other side. The TWE should be viewed as is a tool to discern character and drive: it will either make a candidate more resolute than ever on their path, or create a drive in an alternative direction.

That said, I am not looking forward to the call from home that starts with a somber..."Dad...?"
 
93sir, sorry for your son but it sounds like he has excellent parents leading the way and he will be successful no matter what path he chooses. We are still in the waiting game..I dont understand the "1132 appointments this year"..so does this include those on a waitlist? Sounds like it does. Yikes that seems really low compared to other years and could produce a class of 900 something? I will be walking a lot slower to the mailbox now....
 
@98Sir, my DS received his TWE last week, so heart breaking. He thank God had a nice distraction of his Ice Hockey team making it into the State Finals and winning last Monday night. Now he is back to thinking about re-applying. I know he thought his plan B and re-applying was going to be a no brainer but now he is not sure. I will say as every day goes by he seems more determined and focused to try again. Good luck to your DS and family. I am sure he will find great success in whatever he chooses to do.
 
93sir, sorry for your son but it sounds like he has excellent parents leading the way and he will be successful no matter what path he chooses. We are still in the waiting game..I dont understand the "1132 appointments this year"..so does this include those on a waitlist? Sounds like it does. Yikes that seems really low compared to other years and could produce a class of 900 something? I will be walking a lot slower to the mailbox now....

1132 is the actual targeted incoming, reporting class size for this year as opposed to 1191 actually reporting last July (wait list has nothing to do with it). The draw-down at all the service academies continues and actual class sizes will continue to shrink at least though the next couple of years until they hopefully stabilize. I think the Academy is looking at eventual class sizes of just over 1000.
 
Thanks for the above, figured after I typed it obviously waitlists have nothing to do with it and they will use the waitlists to get closer to the their target.
 
DS93 My heart aches for your family and son. Your son has opened so many doors by making this huge effort in application to USNA. From where I sit, the sky is the limit for him, just by way of a different route! Best of everything now and in the future
 
93 Sir,
Thank you for your answers at this heart wrenching time! I bawled as I read your description. You and your son are handling this with grace that I hope I will have should the dreaded TWE show up.

I still say as much as I have not enjoyed this whole process and my stomach turns at the thought of going through it again, my DS has changed through the process and I am sure like your son is more mature and focused than any of his friends. I am honored to have ridden this roller coaster with such fine parents and kids. Whatever shows up in our mailbox, we will all survive and be great!

You should be very proud of your son for having the guts to lay it all out there and try. I am truly sorry, you are going through this, and I am sure even though I think I am prepared for either answer... I am not!

Best wishes to you!
 
Looking over the "Class snapshot" of 2017 there were 1408 offers of appointment and a class size of 1200. The 2018 "snapshot" (which I am certain many of us have memorized) says 1398 offers were made, with a class size of 1191. This "new information" about 1132 appointments would mean approximately 1339 offers of appointment for a loss of about 60 offers. I am quite sure, as Bubalma pointed out, this is the first step in a few years worth of "downsizing". . . ugh!
 
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I absolutely don't mind answering your questions, as I wondered the exact same thing about every TWE that has posted. You nailed it! We are in Pensacola...hello cradle of aviation! And, between two major Air Force bases. So, heavy military kid competition here. The reason I believe he didn't remain more competitive among that group is for a couple of reasons. Even with a 4.0, he still was not in the top 25% of his class. I also believe his test scores could not hang with others. His composite ACT was a 29 but that was not because of his math score. He had to take the test five times to get the math up to a 26 (which put him in the stadium but not in the game) His English/Language was a 29, again, not what this area was seeing. Too bad they don't look beyond those two scores because his 32 in Science was of no consequence. He is taking Calculus and Physics Honors (strong A). Also, his letter said they are only offering 1132 appointments this year. Even though we knew he wasn't 'above and beyond' academically, we were definitely one of those families who were hoping for the whole candidate score to play into it. He is a world class competitive sailor. He was completely finished with his entire package (CFA, Medical, Nomination, all of it) by September 1. Again, hoping for points for being completed early. So, in the end, I would say he would have been looking at an appointment if we lived in a different location but that's not his story. I don't think he is the type that will try again. He will likely close this chapter of his life and embrace the next one. His goal is to commission and that will happen.

I will say this to those who are still waiting. There is no way to prepare for that moment. You've played the scenario over and over in your mind. Will I come home from work, gym, Target and see a big fat envelope leaning against the front door? Will my son/daughter get a call from his MOC and call me next? Will I open the mailbox door, hold my breath, and scan each envelope slowly until I find that "TWE"? When your eyes fall upon that return address "United States Navy 'Office of Admission', US Naval Academy" you will have a split second of excitement because your brain isn't quite registering what you are looking at. Then, it will be followed by a second or two of the most unexplainable peace as the acceptance washes over you and the unknown has ended. THEN, you will get that kick in the gut that will wash over you in waves throughout the night as you play out 'plan TWE'. Many candidates will have different reactions to the news. Let's just say there are few days in my parenting life as hard to watch as that moment. That big tough boy, in a man's body, held his composure while his eyes reflected a completely shattering heart. I have no doubt that composure crumbed later on his pillow. You will likely cry before your child does because the pride you feel for them in that moment will be overwhelming. And we are SO proud of them because they put all they had on the table.

If you are lucky enough to have a child with the grace that comes from being an official candidate for admission to the US Naval Academy, you will get a text at some point the next morning that says, "Happy Birthday Mom, just wanted to let you know that I am at peace this morning." And then, you'll cry again.
93Sir, you brought out the emotion I have pent up for so long. Thank you for being so honest and saying so eloquently what so many of us are going through or headed for. I have read your post three times and have cried every time. Thank you for being an encourager to everybody on this forum. I know your awesome son will do great things.
 
93Sir , I'm in tears[emoji26]so very thoughtfully said. We too are in FL and usna alumni & 24 yrs retired, triple nom , submitted by Sept 1 also! Have not heard a peep. I'm exhausted from mailbox stalking too. I guess if it's meant to be...thankfully DS has many plan B acceptances including AFROTC so his future is bright. Best wishes to your DS and your family. Will post whenever we get word.


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I respect everyone on this forum but I find it a bit erry that the majority of responses are from parents. Being a child from an anti-military family that was a bit reluctant to help me with the application process I have an entirely different view. From going to my MOC nominee reception and other things like that it seems like some parents care more about the service academies than their kids. Can someone please shed some light on this? Since this forum seems to be about informing others about your situation so you can better predict yours I will share a bit about myself. I am an Eagle Scout, member of OA, have been Scout of the Year and Patrol Leader of the Year aswell as SPL of my troop. My troop has almost 80 members and has been a unit of excellence for over twenty consecutive years so it is a handful. I have a varsity letter in wrestling and am also on the "competitive" as opposed to "development" team of my school's ultimate frisbee which is taken fairly seriously in my area. I am class rank 28 of 340 at a public high school (not magnet or charter or anything) and my school has produced 7 ivy leaguers, 1 U Chicago, 3 Duke and a morehead-cain scholar through early decision and action alone so it is one of the more competitive public high schools. My SAT scores are 720 reading and 770 math. I have taken many AP classes and well over a dozen honors classes including Calc BC and AP Chem. I am Vice President of French club and a member of several other clubs and have over 100 hours of volunteering through varying activities. I am triple qualified and have a nomination but have no heard anything yet through the mail or my MOC. I live in NC.
 
Mailbox stalking has ended for us today in Florida. TWE received. This is especially tough as DH is an alumni and 20 year retiree. DS was 3Q, 4.0, 29 ACT, maxed out CFA, president of this, captain of that, a NASS attendant, triple nominated and a legacy. Tough to see that big heart break right before your eyes. We talked about all the different scenarios that might play out should one or the other arrive. The scenario imagined for the TWE went exactly as planned and I was there to watch the hope leave his heart . There was no preparing for that part. So for those who stalk on, we wish you great comfort or great rejoicing but above all, we pray blessings on each of these fine young men and women who are answering the call. Thank you for your service and the sacrifices you will make.

So now, for us, it's on to Florida State University. Go Noles!
I am so sad for your DS. I went through this last year with my son, who also received the TWE. He was not a legacy, but his stats otherwise were similar. He was so disappointed and really derailed for a bit, especially since an NROTC TWE followed closely after. But I wanted to share with you his journey since. He signed up for the NROTC College Program, really loved it. He is at Villanova now as a MechEng. He reapplied both to NROTC and USNA, and was notified that he received an NROTC scholarship in the fall. He was ambivalent about continuing his USNA application, but decided after the fall semester that he wanted a more military environment, sent his fall grades (3.9 GPA) and received the BFE this year. Another of his NROTC classmates also reapplied, was accepted, but has elected to stay in NROTC. I am certain your DS will be happy at FSU- awesome school! but if he still has the desire for the USNA- there are many of last year's TWE crew- like me, spelly and others- whose DS and DD have BFEs for the class of 2019.
 
Yes, why are the parents more invested in the application process than the children? Are most of the children who apply to service academies guided into it because of their parents? Are the rest of my fellow applicants acting independently or out of an obligation to please parents and relatives who are former service members or alumnus?
 
Yes, why are the parents more invested in the application process than the children? Are most of the children who apply to service academies guided into it because of their parents? Are the rest of my fellow applicants acting independently or out of an obligation to please parents and relatives who are former service members or alumnus?
Totally acting on my own from a non-military background. Similarly to you though, I have a strong scouting background (Eagle, OA, etc). I would say my family's involvement in scouting strongly encouraged the boy-run process for me, but I also go to boarding school so the whole process has mostly been on my own.
 
Yes, why are the parents more invested in the application process than the children? Are most of the children who apply to service academies guided into it because of their parents? Are the rest of my fellow applicants acting independently or out of an obligation to please parents and relatives who are former service members or alumnus?

I can only speak for myself...as a dad.

I've seen what my son has put into this, from declaring the USNA was his goal as an 8th grader to applying to NASS to waiting and hoping the baseball coach would come to see him play to putting on a tie and jacket no less than five times, driving off on his own to interview with senators and congressmen and Blue and Gold officers, to agonizing over the words in his personal statement to waiting and wondering if he'd get a nomination, only to have a major snowstorm delay the delivery of the mail for about 10 days.

And I just come here to see what other people - parents and kids - are going through.

Not more invested, but an anxious spectator.
 
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My parents are very invested in the application process, and ultimately where I go to college for one reason- they love me!

With that said, they know nothing /very little about the service academies. I use this forum to get help from the incredibly generous parents who post here. Many have children who have already been accepted or even graduated from the SAs and they share their experiences with others.

Of course, I want my parents to be pleased with my college choice, civilian or SA, but I am driving the bus.

When I was appointed to USMA, my parents were incredibly proud and they support my desire to attend a SA. I think they would have been equally proud if I chose any of the civilian colleges I was accepted to, including their alma maters, Villanova and Brown.
 
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