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Discussion in 'Naval Academy - USNA' started by maverick23, Nov 8, 2010.

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  1. maverick23

    maverick23 New Member

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    I currently attend the Naval Academy but throughout the first semester I've realized this isn't the place for me. I am planning on withrawing from USNA but foundations called me this morning and informed me that if I leave I have to pay back about $8000. I don't want to be stuck here but $8000 is a lot of money. I was just wondering if there are payment options to pay back the money and if so can someone forward me the information or post the link where I need to go?

    Thank you so much...
     
  2. Just_A_Mom

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    For what??
     
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    I went to Marion Military Institute for one year as part of the Naval Academy "prep" program and it was $16000....marion paid $8000 and USNA paid $8000. Since I'm leaving USNA I would need to pay back that $8000 to them...
     
  4. Just_A_Mom

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    Ah ha. What does the contract say? Are you required to stay until you graduate? Or only until the end of the year?
     
  5. AF6872

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    I think this is BS. Fifth year was Foundation Scholarship for schools which allow you a fifth year for sub standard students applying to the academies. Or you went to Marion for a year. Pay it back. Life is a *****. You made a commitment now own up. My son did four years wirh some fifth year Foundation Students. We paid about four times your tuition each year and you are complaining. Get some guts and maybe get a loan and pay back a small sum to the Foundation for what they did for you. And now you want to withdraw? You are a joke! There are many that would like to take your place. I am P**sed about this.
     
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    I interpreted the OPs post as a request for information...not a complaint. I think your post is completely out of line.:thumbdown:
     
  7. Just_A_Mom

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    Take it easy there.... sub standard?? That is offensive.

    He went to Marion Military - a junior military college; not the Kent School for crying outloud.

    Each Academy has a different contract when they choose to send students there on scholarship. Navy's is different from West Point's and different from AF.
    There was no 'guarantee' that he would be admitted yet, he choose to attend for a year. If he had gone straight to USNA he would not have to pay a dime.

    Calm down, already.
     
  8. scoutpilot

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    Offensive? Not in a military context.

    The academies have standards. The military has "standards." That's what we call them. Something in this young man's profile did not measure up to what the Naval Academy was seeking for members of the class of 2013. That, by definition, made him sub-standard. It's a common and appropriate term in the military. People who find that offensive are, quite likely, only accustomed to the civilian world where honest evaluations are frequently avoided in favor of politically correct language.

    As for the rest of the post....that's some passion you've got there, AF6872.
     
  9. Luigi59

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    I concur. :thumbdown:

    No one should be chastised/berated for deciding that the academy and/or military life is not for them.

    The OP wasn't looking to renege on his debt -- on the contrary, he was asking for options on how he might be able to pay it back.

    Calling him "a joke" and instructing him to "get some guts" is boorish and rude.
     
  10. bruno

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    You are not the first person to decide to bail out of an academy- if it's not right, it's not right for you and it certainly isn't a moral failing to recognize that- it is why the Government does not require you to be obligated when you matriculate . My question would be like Just-a- Mom's: do you have a contract with the USNA foundation to stay for a period of time if you accepted the Foundation scholarship? If not what basis do they have for seeking repayment of the funds? If you do have a period of time that you are obligated to spend at USNA, then you need to decide - how much do you dislike the place? You are already into November of your Plebe year so you have invested a lot of time and will have zero credits to transfer out- you basically will have nada to show for your investment which makes no sense to me regardless of how little you like the place. So if you want advice- tough it out thru the rest of the semester anyway just so you have something to show for it and the rest of the academic year if you discover that you do indeed have an $8000 contractual obligation to repay.

    But whatever you do- as your starting point-go back and READ the contact that you must have signed with the USNA Foundation.
     
  11. USNA1982BGO

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    Well said Bruno. Concur with your suggestions. Read the fine print.
     
  12. Just_A_Mom

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    Yep they do. Kids who go to the Academy prep schools are by definition 'sub-standard'. Most of the kids who get a Foundation or AOG scholarship are not. Generally they need to be qualified - but do not receive an appointment for another reason. Feel free to pm me on this.... this is information with which you should be familiar as a FFR.
    In the context that AF6872 used 'sub-standard' - that this was some snotty dumb kid who needed remedial help - not true at all.

    And you know this because you have spent how much time in the civilian world? No need to talk down here.

    It's been a while and the contract may have changed in the past few years.... I understood that USNA opperated the same as USNA that it was a 'Gentleman's agreement'- not legally binding but morally binding and that the sponsored candidate was asked to accept the appointment if offered.


    Anyway - bruno is right. Read the contract then make your decision. It's not a decision to be made lightly.
     
  13. NativeTexan

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    Are you sure about the source of the $8,000? The ace loan that you agreed to at the beginning of Plebe summer - you know all that money for your uniforms, computer etc. Well, it is very clearly stated that if you leave the Academy before the full amount is repaid (which does not occur until Firstie year) you are responsible for repaying what is left on that loan. $8000 sounds about right for the balance.

    That ACE loan is interest free while at the academy but someone has to repay it if you leave. That would be you.
     
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    Oh, JAM...:rolleyes:

    The Civil Prep program is utilized by admissions for students who are not qualified but do not receive offers of admission to USMAPS. USMAPS is for students who are, and I quote the Admissions Regional Commander, "athletes, prior service soldiers, or outstanding leadership candidates who are academically unqualified." The civil prep program is an ALTERNATIVE to USMAPS, as the majority of USMAPS cadet candidates are athletes, soldiers, and demographic minorities.

    The Civil Prep program is either AOG funded (with 50% buy-in from the hosting institution). Additionally, a candidate can go to a MJC if not selected for Civil Prep, though that is fully funded by the student candidate. Civil Prep is used for those students who are not offered one of the few slots at USMAPS who are seeking admission and need an avenue to boost their profile, with particular emphasis on those students who are academically weak and need that year of MJC to indicate better academic potential to admissions.

    Those candidates are, by definition, "sub-standard." AOG and Admissions work together to review their files and select those who, despite not meeting the standard for admission, show excellent potential to "grow" into a candidate with a high-quality following a year of Civil Prep.

    That is why the OFFICIAL admissions stance is "don't ask us to do Civil Prep, we'll ask you." They do the choosing based on the profiles. I can put you in contact via email with the RC who briefed the AFF on that if you have any doubts.

    But, you knew all that, based on your previous post...

    Only about 12 hours a day. I am married to a civilian, one who deals with far more intense honesty on a daily basis than any of us here do. I was not born in ACUs, and thus spent a day or two in the civilian world, which includes normal parents, siblings, a public high school, etc. I go home every night to a house in a nice neighborhood far away from post, where people don't even know what my uniform is half the time. I deal with candidates, teachers, and guidance counselors on a regular basis. The lack of candor in evaluations is appalling, where it be the evaluations teachers give students or professionals give one another. But I digress. The point is that the military is far more given to blunt criticism than the civilian sector. "Politeness" is not a military core value. It's nice in daily life, but sometimes we prefer terms that are more exact and less pretty.

    Now, I might not have phrased it that way in general conversation, but AF6872's terminology is not wrong...just very military in nature. But that's a matter of personal preference. Clearly, he feels strongly about the issue.
     
  15. Mongo

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    scout, you're getting as bad as a few others on this forum assuming all SAs and services are the same. USNA treats Foundation differently than they do NAPS. I've only been in this business for nearly 15 years and I still haven't figured out the purpose of the Foundation (even though my contributions support it). My guess, if it is not a parking spot for lacrosse players, is that it is heavily inhabited by 3Qeds from competitive districts who could not get a nomination. The average SATs are in the high 1200s.

    Regardless, AF6872 owes the kid an apology.
     
  16. scoutpilot

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    Please take the time to actually read my post. I never once made any claims about USNA. JAM tried to "instruct" me on how Civil Prep works at USMA, while chastising me for not knowing as an AFF rep. You'll note that it was she who compared the two programs, not me.

    I made no mention of USNA. None.

    Thanks :thumb:
     
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    Since they don't apply to the OP who is at USNA, by the way, pardon me if I ignore both your posts.
     
  18. scoutpilot

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    That's A-OK with me. I was obviously talking to JAM :wink:
     
  19. d.mcknight

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    Wow....really now? Not once did this person complain. Sure they said $8000 was a lot of money but I'd hardly call that complaining....And as far as your last comment, I'm one of those people that would love to be in his place. I'd love to be at the Academy this time next year. But I understand some people get there and realize, "Whoa, this is really not where I want to be or what I want to do." Why be miserable for another 3 1/2 years?
     
  20. Mongo

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    Totally irrelevant. USNA has an authorized end strength the day before graduation, I think, of 4400 Midshipmen. Any class that has different attrition than that which is projected will be compensated inversely in the incoming class.
     
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