Hearing back from CC

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  1. ASticks

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    I know its only been about a week since the October board met but I was wondering how quick they usually send out their letters of acceptance and denials?
     
  2. mgguy

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    Everybody has been saying about mid-nov. according to last year. We are in same place as you....waiting to hear anything. I do wonder if we will hear a little eariler. Last year the board met Oct. 28-30 and people starting hearing back around the 15th which is only a little over two weeks. This year with them on the 17th, two weeks would be sometime next week? This could be all wishful thinking. For sure in 30 days we will know if we have to wait tile Jan. or later to find out. Good luck!!!!
     
  3. Ohio2015Parent

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    That is the million dollar question for all applicants who where board ready. I wish there was a good answer, but unfortunately CC will notify when they are ready, not a minute sooner. The wait is horrible, but try to stay busy and positive. Make sure you are keeping Plan B-? going strong. Hang out here, I remember how the support here seemed to be the only place where people really understood the anticipation and stress. Plus when the results are starting to post - this is THE place to be!!!
     
  4. dunninla

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    I don't think they send letters of denial until late April -- at least that is what I recall reading here. They seem to roll everyone over to the next Board and leave the door open until after the last Board has met (which I believe is early March).
     
  5. Jcleppe

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    You will find that all through ROTC, Cadet Command is late giving notifications for almost everything. The release of the OML was nearly 1 1/2 weeks late. It has been a week since CC had originally planned to release the Branch List, a lot of very stressed out MS4's right now.

    The best thing you can do is add a week or so to any date they announce for results to anything. You will find this to be true as you make your way through the regular Army as well.

    Dunninla is right, they don't send any denial letters until the whole process is over next Spring. Just check in to this board from time to time, it will light up when the first results are released.

    Older son is pulling his hair out (What hair he has) right now waiting for the Branch results.
     
  6. ASticks

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    Thank you all for replying, its good to at least have some sort of timeline even if it is still a bit vague.

    But I have another question, would meeting with the head of the ROTC department of my top school help in my possibly awarding of a scholarship to that school? Or is that not his or her area of influence?
     
  7. kinnem

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    I don't know if they have any influence but I think it would be a good idea in any case. I would try to meet with some cadets as well. It's all a good way to get familiar with the battalion and make sure you would be comfortable there.
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    From what someone just posted this evening the results from the first board may released starting now.
     
  9. Pima

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    Asticks,

    Logically, everybody that interviews at that college would meet with him, unless he picked it up for a specific reason.

    So, NO, theoretically it doesn't help.

    Let's say due to schedule conflictions you met with the O6, but everybody else meets with the O4. The O6's opinion is going to matter, but as a Commander he is also going to discuss those that were interviewed by the O4. He is going to look at their resumes, and will not make a decision based on he liked you. He will make a decision based on who are the best candidates for cohesion in that BN and their ability to perform at/above their stds.

    It is not personal, it is business. He can love you personally, but not believe you are a match for his unit. A unit that their success impacts his military career regarding his future promotion. Not only his, but that O4 who usually does the interview.

    Now if you are asking if it may help you get admitted, the answer is MAYBE.

    Some colleges have ROTC officers sit on the admissions board. If you are on the cusp, they may be able to get you into the IN pile because as a rep. of the college they can speak personally about your qualities. However, not every college has ROTC members on the admissions board. For Ex: UVA could not care less if you have a scholarship for ROTC when they make their decision. UNCCH has ROTC members on their board and they have a voice.

    Both are Ivy Public Universities.

    Good luck.
     
  10. dunninla

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    Yes, most definitely. Once a scholarship has been Awarded at the Board, the next step at CC is to decide: Scholarship to Where? I am certain there is a dialogue at that point (after award) with the Battalions listed on your application to create the best match, starting with your #1 choice and then working down, and also taking into consideration In-State Public vs. Private vs. Out of STate Public costs.

    DD was awarded a 3 yr. AD to a Private, and a 4 Yr. to an in-state Public, her choice. She had done her PMS interview with the Public (#4 on her list of 7), and corresponded via email and by phone with her Private choices #1 and #2 so that she could decide how to re-rank order her college choices on her application (via email with CC) two weeks prior to the 3rd Board sitting. Her eventual 3 Yr. AD award out of that Board was to choice #1. I am certain her dialogue with that PMS two months prior played a role.
     
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  11. Jcleppe

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    Actually, the only control a PMS and Battalion have over whether a scholarship awardee is selected for their school is during the application process when the PMS checks the box saying they would accept that applicant to their program. From our talks with the ROO over the past 4 years he has told us that it is basically a crap shoot on whether the scholarship award goes to their school. CC lists the schools the scholarship is awarded to within about 5 days after the initial award, not much time to discuss each awardee with each of their schools.

    This is not saying that the comments the PMS gives on the applicants interview sheet doesn't go a long way in helping an applicant, it may even sway CC in listing that school. I think that's why it is important to interview with your #1 school and keep in contact with the other schools you are interested in.
     
  12. Pima

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    Now we are getting in the weeds.

    The OP was very vague.

    Use your DD as an example Dunninla.

    She didn't interview at her # 1 choice, she interviewed at her #4. She is attending her number 1 on scholarship. So, under your premise, how is it she got that scholarship? Are you stating that everyone who interviewed at her #1 also received scholarships? I am pretty sure you will say that she is the rarity, not the norm.

    Yes, contact them, show interest in their unit, but before anyone says
    It is important to place caveats.

    If the school is a reach, and your stats (PAR/PFA) are low it will matter very little in this debate.

    I.E. what if the OP has a 3.0 gpa, no AP's, 1100 SAT, and 1 EC., he interviews at his number 1 choice school, UNCCH. Would you say "yes, def"?

    Additionally if the school is a college that has a high vis ROTC unit, PSU, TAMU, VT, UMDCP, RU, UCLA, Boise, etc. understand every other IS candidate will also meet with them too. Hence, the "Meeting with the Head of ROTC" becomes moot. They are competing against every other IS, and it brings us back to their stats.

    I 1000% agree showing interest is important, but the way I read the post was is this a "hook" for a scholarship? No is my answer.

    I think we both agree, it is just we interpreted the key words of the post differently.
     
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  13. rotcmom2016

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    hi, where was this post if you remember
     
  14. dunninla

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    Yes, agree with this. And the PMS him/herself will likely tell you straight up if he/she has any pull with Admissions. The PMS at the In-State Public (Top 30 ranked) my DD interviewed with was quite specific about whom he had a good relationship with in Admissions, and how much that might favorably affect on-the-bubble admissions candidates.
     
  15. dunninla

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    We do agree. I don't think speaking with a PMS will affect *whether* the Board awards a scholarship, but rather, once a scholarship has been awarded by the Board, the *assignment* of that scholarship to one or more of the seven schools listed on the application could most definitely be influenced by the relationship with the PMS at choice #1.

    Now, I could have read/heard wrongly about the process. If somebody knows for sure that there is no communication between the PMS/ROO/Asst.PMS and the Board to discuss the assigning of already awarded scholarships to their Battalions, I'd like to know. It would also be good to know how CC balances this all when they give the Awardee an option to pick between two schools. Does the school the Awardee does not pick basically lose a scholarship (this pertains to awards out of the last Board)?
     
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  16. Pima

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    That is why I also say sometimes schools have an "in" with admissions, and sometimes they don't.

    DS never applied to UNCCH, one of the most selective Public colleges in the nation. He got a "CONGRATS, we are proud to offer you admission for the class of 2012" letter. He had a scholarship in hand and the AFROTC det had a voice in admissions.

    He also got the same type of letter from NYU Sterns.

    Both of these schools had a relationship with AFROTC. Notre Dame did not, and the scholarship had no impact because at UND because they guarantee 100% of their students will receive aid if they can't afford to attend. It may be work study, or corporate scholarships, but the ability to pay is not in the equation. Thus, a ROTC scholarship is truly moot.

    I am not implying that UNCCH or NYU sold out to get the ROTC scholarship, because I don't believe that. I believe, that they "talked" to ROTC and agreed that had he implied he would have been accepted, and since AFROTC allows cadets to take it to any school that accepts the scholarship, it was in their best interest to offer admission.

    DS had in 1 sitting, not superscore...1390 SAT out of 1600. He was top 7% in his class, boat load of APs, and ECs. It was not a reach, it was a match.

    That is my point, and one you appear to agree with. If they talk than it is important to understand that they have a limited voice. They are not going to be the one that gets you the scholarship, however, they may be the one that can get you off the fence for the scholarship.

    I would never ever say to a candidate that it would be something they should take as an edge for a scholarship. JMPO.

    XPOSTED WITH DUNNINLA...Leaving it because it also discusses admission and ROTC.
     
  17. Pima

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    Dunninla,

    As I stated we all sometimes mis-read a post.

    I am only re-posting this because we got in the weeds, and I do not want Asticks to now believe when you said...Yes, definitely, that you were saying his interview was a big factor.

    Threads have a habit, as you know to divert and posters clarifications get lost in the process.

    I am only doing this to give a clear and concise post that everyone is saying it will not help in being awarded a scholarship.

    [quote-dunninla]Now, I could have read/heard wrongly about the process. If somebody knows for sure that there is no communication between the PMS/ROO/Asst.PMS and the Board to discuss the assigning of already awarded scholarships to their Battalions, I'd like to know. It would also be good to know how CC balances this all when they give the Awardee an option to pick between two schools. Does the school the Awardee does not pick basically lose a scholarship (this pertains to awards out of the last Board)?[/quote]

    I recall either Marist or Clarkson stating that they do indeed talk once the candidate has been selected.

    I think only Marist or Clarkson can truly answer that.

    One thing I love about the AFROTC process, as a parent and a candidate the process is simpler. Get the scholarship, get accepted to any school that accepts it, you are good to go. There is no additional worry that you get the scholarship to the school, but the school does not admit you, and now you are stuck with trying to transfer it to a school that has already awarded their scholarships.

    ROTCMOM,
    Here is the thread. http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=22540

    The only one that has heard is bjb2016. They heard yesterday.
     
  18. Jcleppe

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    It was the thread titled "AROTC Scholarship Change of Schools"
     
  19. dunninla

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    JCleppe -- here is the post that made me think there is value is establishing a dialogue with the PMS/ROO:

    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?p=168705&highlight="cozying"#post168705 In particular: "After all the smoke clears from the third board, hopefully we will have the ability to offer what is left as campus based offers. At that time we will send the names of the most qualified (and most interested) applicants to our higher for the offers to be made. This is where the "cozying" will have paid off. "

    Actually, now that I re-read it, it appears to apply to scholarships that are left over after the Board has made its decisions... which I actually don't understand at all :( I didn't know scholarships were left over for Battalions to apply as they chose.
     
  20. basilrathbone

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    Amen, sister
     

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