January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

czs21 · Feb 7, 2011

VTArmy said:
No, I think it's more that nobody knows for sure. There would be no reason to send out DoDMERB packets at random; therefore, there is some reasoning behind it all. Hopefully.

How about this, it is NOT BAD haha. There we go.

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

VTArmy said:
No, I think it's more that nobody knows for sure. There would be no reason to send out DoDMERB packets at random; therefore, there is some reasoning behind it all. Hopefully.

Reasoning

yep the military and government do a lot of that.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

Just 2cents worth

I believe that DodMERB was moved up simply because they knew there would be delays -- this budget mess didn't just "appear" in January. The powers that be knew in previous years -- with problems getting candidates cleared --that the potential for nightmare scenarios existed, so they simply could have created a likely cut score and sent those applicants in to the process. No big deal, not like they promised them anything but the opportunity to be physically qualified prior to hearing their scholarship status. Just my 2 cents, Of course, this decision wasn't made to make the system "better" for the families or applicants, it was to lessen the impact on the cadres caught up in the mess with us all.

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

If there is a pre-board cut off score its a hell of a lot higher than 400. Most schools get around 20 applicants for each scholarship awarded. The bar would be pretty low with a cut off of 400.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

FloridaDad said:
If there is a pre-board cut off score its a hell of a lot higher than 400. Most schools get around 20 applicants for each scholarship awarded. The bar would be pretty low with a cut off of 400.

I completely agree, if indeed there was a cut score used -- 600 would be a more likely point, of course, without the boards 350 added in yet. Our sons' scores would probably just have made it, seeing your figures and what I'd put my DS's at (560-610). It wasn't bad to have it out of the way, just not sure how much it really does mean -- without knowing how many applicants were sent on thru DodMERB vs the total number of applicants it is a no answer possible equation......

paradoxer · Feb 7, 2011

Guiness World Book of Records

Ohio2015Parent said:
I saw a thread from last January's AROTC board and thought it would be a good distraction to start one for this year too.

Once again, hope to connect with others waiting.........

You are approaching 30,000 views on this thread. Do you think you could submit for a world record? That process should distract you for another month while you continue to wait. Or maybe a little of Rip Van Winkle's special drink; then you could just wake up in time for the announcements.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

paradoxer said:
You are approaching 30,000 views on this thread. Do you think you could submit for a world record? That process should distract you for another month while you continue to wait. Or maybe a little of Rip Van Winkle's special drink; then you could just wake up in time for the announcements.

My family has told me for years I know how to stir up some sh$t. I'd take that Rip Van Winkle drink about now.....its been a long day. Glad to find some of you up and picking at the puzzle so to speak. I don't think this thread will break 30,000(please, Lord, let us have results before then.......) :wink:

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

Maybe the Dodmerb packages have something to do with if you checked the MA box as well?

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

FloridaDad said:
Maybe the Dodmerb packages have something to do with if you checked the MA box as well?

That could be it too. Did your DS check it? I know mine did, but decided after going to a local meet and greet with area "ROO" (for lack of knowing his actual title) this past summer he dropped it from his list of possibilities.

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

No my DS was not interested in MA. He could have had a nomination from his JROTC because its a honors unit. He went up a grade so he is still only 16, which is a little young for MA in our opinion.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

paradoxer said:
You are approaching 30,000 views on this thread. Do you think you could submit for a world record? That process should distract you for another month while you continue to wait. Or maybe a little of Rip Van Winkle's special drink; then you could just wake up in time for the announcements.

Just for giggles I went and looked for the most viewed thread...45,350 views, the 2014 Appointment thread. So we've got a ways to go, but prayers that it doesn't get that far, please.

patentesq · Feb 7, 2011

FloridaDad said:
If there is a pre-board cut off score its a hell of a lot higher than 400. Most schools get around 20 applicants for each scholarship awarded. The bar would be pretty low with a cut off of 400.

Isn't it pointless to be talking about cut-off scores? A few days ago, I learned from one of you that it's really done by school. Consider the following examples:

TOP-NOTCH SCHOOL
Applicant A -- 999 (WPS)***
Applicant B -- 998 (WPS)

EASY-STREET SCHOOL
Applicant C -- 450 (WPS)***
Applicant D -- 449 (WPS)

Applicants A and B have applied to the "Top-Notch School", and applicants C and D have applied to the "Easy-Street School."

Suppose for the sake of argument that each school has only one scholarship allocation, wouldn't then Applicants A and C in the examples above get the AROTC scholarships, while Applicants B and D are left out in the cold? In other words, can't an applicant with a WPS of 450 earn the scholarship before another applicant with at WPS of 998???

I'm sorry, jcleppe, saw your post about this thread spiraling into a WPS discussion. I agree with your concern, but I'm curious as heck and couldn't help myself! Sorry.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

FloridaDad said:
No my DS was not interested in MA. He could have had a nomination from his JROTC because its a honors unit. He went up a grade so he is still only 16, which is a little young for MA in our opinion.

Yeah, DS wasn't that into the MA. You've got a young for grade too. Most of my DS's friends are already 18 - he's the baby, turned 17 late July, after completing his application. I thought they couldn't submit/interview and all of that until they were 17, but that wasn't correct information, no one had a problem meeting with him throughout the process.

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

So basically a thick Muppet selecting a crappy school jumps the queue...nice. :shake:

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 7, 2011

patentesq said:
Isn't it pointless to be talking about cut-off scores? A few days ago, I learned from one of you that it's really done by school. Consider the following examples:

TOP-NOTCH SCHOOL
Applicant A -- 999 (WPS)***
Applicant B -- 998 (WPS)

EASY-STREET SCHOOL
Applicant C -- 450 (WPS)***
Applicant D -- 449 (WPS)

Suppose for the sake of argument that each school has only one scholarship allocation, wouldn't then Applicants A and C in the examples above get the AROTC scholarships, while Applicants B and D are left out in the cold? In other words, can't an applicant with a WPS of 450 earn the scholarship before another applicant with at WPS of 998???

I'm sorry, jcleppe, saw your post about this thread spiraling into a WPS discussion. I agree with your concern, but I'm curious as heck and couldn't help myself! Sorry.

I follow what you are saying, but then we'd have to assume that applicants had only one type of school or the other on their applications, most encourage a balanced school choice to increase their odds. The boards only determine the WPS and the OML. Or did I miss something??

paradoxer · Feb 7, 2011

Fell asleep during that discussion

patentesq said:
Isn't it pointless to be talking about cut-off scores? A few days ago, I learned from one of you that it's really done by school.

Where's the link regarding school selection? I could see that happening in May but now?

gojack · Feb 7, 2011

FloridaDad said:
If there is a pre-board cut off score its a hell of a lot higher than 400. Most schools get around 20 applicants for each scholarship awarded. The bar would be pretty low with a cut off of 400.

Applicants per school is not the relevant number - but if there are 20/slot/school and If each applicant puts down 7 schools on their application, then there are about three (2.86) applications/scholarship awarded.

Cut offs are going to be by school, AROTC Black Hills State University, Spearfish SD does not get many 36 ACT applicants. (Not many 26 ACTs either) Very nice little school, not real demanding though

FloridaDad · Feb 7, 2011

gojack said:
Applicants per school is not the relevant number - but if there are 20/slot/school and If each applicant puts down 7 schools on their application, then there are about three (2.86) applications/scholarship awarded.

1st choice school :wink:

The local college had 280 applicants list them has the first choice and they will probably get between 10-20 national scholarships

FloridaDad · Feb 8, 2011

patentesq said:
Isn't it pointless to be talking about cut-off scores? A few days ago, I learned from one of you that it's really done by school. Consider the following examples:

My understanding ( and I maybe wrong) is they score the applicants and then decide how many scholarships will be given out for that board. Then they simply find the cut off line and the placement office work through the list.

So lets say they had 1200 scholarships to be handed out, and 1220 applicants had a 880 or higher. Then everyone over 880 would be placed.

Ohio2015Parent · Feb 8, 2011

FloridaDad said:
My understanding ( and I maybe wrong) is they score the applicants and then decide how many scholarships will be given out for that board. Then they simply find the cut off line and the placement office work through the list.

So lets say they had 1200 scholarships to be handed out, and 1220 applicants had a 880 or higher. Then everyone over 880 would be placed.

This was how I understood the process to work also.