January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

Care to elaborate on that a bit,

He did recently receive word that there ended up being only 2, the person who loaded the shell and a Sgt., that are going to be discharged.

So I take it from your comment that your stationed at Ft. Bragg, and must have been involved with the exercises that went on that day.

No I don't think any outcome made him feel better, I didn,t know all investigations end in rumor, I'll have to remember that. I better go back and check the files of every investigation I was ever involved with during my time in the service to make sure the outcome was not just a rumor.

The "Outcome" was a bit different then he was told 3 days after it occured, but the "Investigations" do take time.

They must have sold that Bill of Goods to his Lt. Col. (PMS) Since a ROTC cadet was involved he received a copy of the report and relayed the information to my son.

The jury's still out on which is the smarter Branch.

Three salient points:

1. Thank you for confirming exactly what I said...what you said he was told 3 days after the incident, specifically that "at least 3 enlisted and 2 officers had just become unemployed civilians," was rumor and conjecture. By your own admission, no officers and possibly 2 enlisted servicemembers are facing separation. He was told of an outcome in the past tense, as though it had happened when it clearly had not. Your follow-up information is plausible, but what you posted at first is not.

2. Having been in the military yourself, you should know that a 15-6 doesn't operate on a timeline like that. Soldiers, and especially not officers, are not separated from the military after a 3-day investigation (if they even had the IO appointment orders written by then). I would guess that someone made that remark off the cuff in an attempt to show him that they were not taking it lightly.

3. Have you read the IO's summary, in full, yourself? If not, I don't think you really have cause to characterize any servicemember as "some stupid ^&$@#*" without firsthand knowledge of what happened. Even if someone did make a grave error in the laying or loading of the gun, that doesn't make them stupid. It makes them a human being in a uniform. Having worked a gun line in the past, I would be more concerned about how the procedural failsafes didn't prevent the incident.

What exactly is the M40 you referred to? Did you mean 40mm grenades from a M203?
 
Three salient points:

1. Thank you for confirming exactly what I said...what you said he was told 3 days after the incident, specifically that "at least 3 enlisted and 2 officers had just become unemployed civilians," was rumor and conjecture. By your own admission, no officers and possibly 2 enlisted servicemembers are facing separation. He was told of an outcome in the past tense, as though it had happened when it clearly had not. Your follow-up information is plausible, but what you posted at first is not.

2. Having been in the military yourself, you should know that a 15-6 doesn't operate on a timeline like that. Soldiers, and especially not officers, are not separated from the military after a 3-day investigation (if they even had the IO appointment orders written by then). I would guess that someone made that remark off the cuff in an attempt to show him that they were not taking it lightly.

3. Have you read the IO's summary, in full, yourself? If not, I don't think you really have cause to characterize any servicemember as "some stupid ^&$@#*" without firsthand knowledge of what happened. Even if someone did make a grave error in the laying or loading of the gun, that doesn't make them stupid. It makes them a human being in a uniform. Having worked a gun line in the past, I would be more concerned about how the procedural failsafes didn't prevent the incident.

What exactly is the M40 you referred to? Did you mean 40mm grenades from a M203?

Guess I should of used the word pending.

Sorry, I wasn't Army, M40 ...40mm... Boy do I feel stupid.

Sorry...I stand by the "Stupid #$%^. comment. whether it's the one that loaded the shell or the one that supervised it.

Obviously investigations take time,
 
So proud!!

I just had to share some wonderful & exciting news!! My DD who received a 3 yr AD scholarship was set to contract next September. She was informed this morning that she will contract early in January 2012 and her scholarship was changed to 3-1/2 years :shake:

So proud of how hard she has worked and happy for her (and us :wink:)!
 
I just had to share some wonderful & exciting news!! My DD who received a 3 yr AD scholarship was set to contract next September. She was informed this morning that she will contract early in January 2012 and her scholarship was changed to 3-1/2 years :shake:

So proud of how hard she has worked and happy for her (and us :wink:)!

Glad you shared the great news from your DD!! Despite all the budget woes and polictial BS going on in DC, a good kid got rewarded for some hard work:thumb:

Will share a little news - DS is heading home today for Thanksgiving/Christmas break. He attends a quarter based school, so they are out of classes from now until January 3rd. Very excited to see him and get to spend some time discussing the budget issues and how he might improve his odds of AD in 2015.
 
Great news indeed! Nice to hear that even with the current national budget woes that unexpectedly positive economic results are possible!
 
Is someone going to start the "January 9, 2012 AROTC Board" thread? Or did we lose that tradition?
 
Hi patentesq. Since you brought it up I think th:biggrin:e responsibility falls to you.
 
Hi patentesq. Since you brought it up I think th:biggrin:e responsibility falls to you.

I think Ohio2015Parent truly set the standard last year (check out Post #1). First, I couldn't compete with her. Second, it likely should come from someone who has a DS or DD going through this board.

Last year was pretty bumpy, because it was littered with a bunch of government shut-down threats (which would have prohibited AROTC from making announcements). Hopefully, this one will be less bumpy.

My vote is that one of the NAROTCPs (new Army ROTC parents) should do the honors.

I'm still kinda hoping, though, that this thread rises to the top of the "most viewed" list before we switch modes to a new thread.

P.S. Ohio, I bet if you pulled an all-nighter with repeated views of this thread, it'll reach the 2000 views needed to top all others!
 
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I like your logic, which fortunately excludes me. It should be a new parent.
 
Ohio, this thread is only a couple hundred views away from being the most-viewed threads of all time! :thumb:
 
Nothing like a challenge

Ohio, this thread is only a couple hundred views away from being the most-viewed threads of all time! :thumb:

How about we all meet at Ohioparent's house when this goal is met! Actually wonder what the center point of the US is based on this forum participation.
 
How about we all meet at Ohioparent's house when this goal is met! Actually wonder what the center point of the US is based on this forum participation.

As long as we don't have to clean up after the party at Ohio's house, I'm game for that!
 
You two are too cute. The clean up would be no problem - firetruck or not - it would be amazing to meet you in person:thumb:

Our long winded thread will probably be by passed now - it's all about the March board now for our AROTC 2016 applicants. I'm very glad that this year the results posted in a much shorter time frame. It is a little frightening how few awards were posted here - the path is a lot narrower for them now.

Hope USMA and VA are treating your boys well - DS is back on track and set to challenge the APFT in two weeks to redeem himself.
 
Seam Ripper

You two are too cute. The clean up would be no problem - firetruck or not - it would be amazing to meet you in person:thumb:

Our long winded thread will probably be by passed now - it's all about the March board now for our AROTC 2016 applicants. I'm very glad that this year the results posted in a much shorter time frame. It is a little frightening how few awards were posted here - the path is a lot narrower for them now.

Hope USMA and VA are treating your boys well - DS is back on track and set to challenge the APFT in two weeks to redeem himself.

DS had a military banquet last night and he posted his picture. Let's just say I'm not sure I would recognize him if I didn't have the head's up he was mine. Earlier in the week he texted me to ask how do you remove a patch. Let's just say I'd never read in this forum that seam ripper should be part of the supply kit. Still have no idea why he was asking - shouldn't yet have any patches should he? DS has also been on a goal scoring streak, including a between the legs with your back to the goal event.

Glad the train is back on the track.
 
Okay, this thread is now officially on top!!! :jump1:


Time to retire it before the mods get mad?
 
Okay, this thread is now officially on top!!! :jump1:


Time to retire it before the mods get mad?

I think if the mods were gonna get mad and shut it down it would have been a few hundred post ago...we've been off on more tangents - fits of speculation and off topic soooo many times. But it has been a pleasure to be part of this thread - when it was good news or bad. The path is long for our boys so I look forward to reading new threads about all of the 2015 cadets as they make their way up the path:thumb:

Take care.:wiggle:
 
If you missed out on the January Board make sure that you are doing everything you can to maximize your chances on the next board. Review your application status online and make sure that you have completed the application process for all the colleges that you listed on your Scholarship application.
 
I am picking up on a trend. 2 of our prospects received 4 year scholarship offers despite not receiving the full 200 points on the interview. Another prospect with 200 points also received a 4 year scholarship offer.

The common thread is that the offers were to lower cost schools. This year, the schools you listed on your application appear to be much more important than last year.
 
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