letter from Paul Revere Battalion?

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  1. debcst

    debcst Member

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    Did anyone else get a letter from the Paul Revere Battalion?

    My son got one (because he listed one of the schools on his AROTC application). Among other things, the letter said

    "if you applied to one of the 9 schools you may not receive a national scholarship offer for the future class of 2016 due to the limited availability of these types of offers. Do not be discouraged, as we anticipate the majority of our scholarship offers will come in the form of campus based offers to the most qualified of applicants. Selection results of these campus based offers will be announced by mid April 2012..."

    I am confused about the relationship of these scholarships to those granted by cadet command.

    Say my son receives a scholarship from cadet command, to a school or schools not in the Paul Revere Battalion. If he accepts that scholarship will that take him out of the running for one at a PRB college? If he wants to attend the PRB school does he have to gamble and decline any earlier cadet command scholarship offer in hopes of a later, campus based offer that may or may not come?

    Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this!
     
  2. dunninla

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    He would accept the scholarship to one school (either he gets one offer, or multiple offers from which to choose) within approx. 30 days of receiving the offer.

    He would then, supposing the school he really wanted didn't offer him, work with Cadet Command to transfer his scholarship Award to the school he wants the most. I don't know the % of transfer approvals... I suspect under 30%, and I also suspect chances are higher earlier sooner in the award season than later.
     
  3. debcst

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    So accepting an early offer elsewhere would indeed remove him from the later competition for a campus-based scholarship?

    Have these later, campus-based ones awarded to applicants who are still in high school been part of the picture in past years?

    I have read many old threads in order to understand the system, and it is my impression that in the past, the campus based scholarships were used for students already at the college, participating in ROTC? Or did I get that wrong?

    Thanks for your input.
     
  4. dunninla

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    Ah, I see your issue. When I read "campus-based" I assumed that meant after the student enrolled and competed for a 3.5, 3, etc. year scholarship while part of the program.

    Now I'm thinking the letter was in error, and that it refers to a process than ended at least three years ago (some Cadet Command scholarships, some PMS issued scholarships).
     
  5. SCcandidate2015

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    I just wanted to say, I had a really great, all-inclusive post going to respond to the original poster... and then I accidentally went to the previous page, and lost my entire post. I'm sorry. I don't even remember half of it, that's how brilliant and long it was. :p
     
  6. debcst

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    Very confused- especially since a post several months ago said that the 2nd brigade had frozen all campus-based scholarships (PRB is part of the 2nd brigade).
     
  7. Marist College ROTC

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    All scholarship funds allocated for Mission Set 2016 have been reduced from $15 million to $8 million for the entire nation. Some percentage of that $8 million will become available for on campus scholarships, but this will happen in Fall 2012 after Cadet Command has assessed which Scholarship offerees have turned down their offers or been deemed unqualified. Even if 10% of the overall funds ($8 million) becomes available for on campus scholarships, that is still only $800,000. That needs to be split between 7 brigades. 2nd BDE has over 40 Battalions. That works out to less than $3,000 per Battalion if it is split evenly.

    I think the chances of any 2nd BDE Mission Set 2016 Cadet receiving an on campus scholarship to a private school is extremely unlikely. In my opinion, this should not be any higher than a Plan D.
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    I must say that the letter does seem to contradict the way things played out last year, of course a ROO that posts here has said that you can't look at past years as a guide to how this year will go, there are always changes.

    I'm going to take a wild stab at a theory. Since the Paul Revere Battalion is attached to MIT as the Host they may end up short of a perceived scholarship quota due the the difficulty of students gaining admission to the schools they list. There are always been cases where an applicant receives the scholarship but is not admitted to the school, this may leave the battalion with openings they can fill with campus scholarships to those who are accepted to each school. Just a thought.

    To answer your other question, yes if you accept a national scholarship to a different school you will be out of the running for any campus scholarship. The only option would be to request a transfer to your school of choice. One thing to remember about transfers, if you are requesting a transfer to a school with a higher tuition your chances are slim, if you are able to get the transfer to a more expensive school they will likely switch it from a 4 year to a 3 year. You also have a better chance at a transfer if the schools are in the same battalion.

    To be honest, if you receive a scholarship, and it is to a school you would like to attend then take it. If your heart is set on a school that the scholarship is not listed then you will have to decide if you want to take your chances and decline the scholarship if a transfer is not granted. If you choose this route just be prepared to pay the entire college costs, there are no Guarantees that you will get a campus based scholarship, they are not easy to get and if budget issues arise they will be the first to go.

    Now, after saying all that there was an article written last year....in the Army Times I believe...that talked about future scholarships and how the Army may start using campus scholarship more often rather the national offers to make sure they get cadets that will stay with the program and not drop out after the first year and before any repayment is required. Nobody knows quite what the minds at CC are thinking for this year.

    If you have specific questions it would probably be best to contact MIT and talk with the ROO to get the straight story.

    Good Luck

    Edit: OK, after all my ramblings Marist again swoops in with all the correct information, thanks for keeping us on our toes.
     
  9. Jcleppe

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    I have a question, are you saying that last years Mission Set 2015 total dollar value was $15 million and they are reducing that amount to $8 million. Did CC ever announce the total number of scholarship awarded last year. That is certainly a big drop for this years applicants, I would imagine that will keep the ROO's hopping this year. Do you foresee the SMP dollars dropping this year as well since that is a lot of applicants Plan B. Do you think CC will be leaning more towards In State schools for applicants to keep the costs down while maximizing the offers. It looks to be a wild ride for applicants this year. Sorry for all the questions.
     
  10. Marist College ROTC

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    Correct. $15 million was available for this year's freshmen. It has been reduced to $8 million for next year's freshmen.

    Cadet Command has announced that they plan to allocate 80% of the $8 million to public schools. This will enable them to contract the same number of Cadets at the reduced funding level.
     
  11. EDelahanty

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    This leaves $1.6 million for private schools. Tuition and books at a PRB school will run close to $43,000/yr, not including a stipend. That doesn't allow for many campus-based scholarships.
     
  12. leapyear

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    I'm wondering how, if at all, this will affect current freshmen who were awarded 3 yr AD scholarships last year. These kids will not actually contract and start receiving any funds until Fall 2012. Are their funds already set aside, or does their money have to come out of the greatly-reduced 2012 budget Marist told us about? If it's the latter, I hope that it will not endanger 3 yr ADs already awarded.
     
  13. Jcleppe

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    I believe Marist answered this in a previous post. Cadets that have a 3 year AD Scholarship will not be affected by this years budget, those funds have already been allocated.
     
  14. Jcleppe

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    If they steer the offers more toward In State public schools that will spread the scholarship budget a lot farther.

    The highest Tuition rate for an In State school in our state is roughly $11,000 per year. Awarding In State Scholarships will allow for more offers with a greatly reduced budget.

    A smart move on the part of CC considering what they will have to work with this year as well as following years.
     
  15. Dog Walker

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    Debcst: Our DS received the same letter~thanks for asking the same questions we had. The responses helped us understand the letter better too. Thanks!
     
  16. dunninla

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    Boy, that's an understatement. $1.6M/$40,000 = 40 scholarships. There must be at least 40 Private colleges in 2nd BDE. So that's basically ONE schoalrship per private school.

    I am assuming that Marist's comments about $15M and $8M refer to 2nd Brigade, and not the entire country (273 Host Battalions and at least 100 private colleges).
     
  17. Jcleppe

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    Nope, Marist stated that the cut from 15 million to 8 million is for the entire nation. Going to be an interesting year, applicants may want to re-think their school choices.
     
  18. dunninla

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    If that is for the whole country, that means approx. 40 4-Yr scholarships to divide among at least 30 US New Top 100 Private schools. Let me do this strictly from memory:

    Harvard
    MIT
    Princeton
    Stanford
    Duke
    Penn
    Columbia
    Northwestern
    Cornell
    Notre Dame
    Vanderbilt
    Georgetown
    USC
    Tufts
    NYU
    Wake Forest
    Boston College
    Miami
    George Washington
    Fordham
    Boston U
    Villanova (technically in another category, but would fit here)
    Tulane
    Pepperdine
    SMU
    Baylor
    TCU
    U of San Diego

    That's 26 right there.

    I'm pretty sure all those offer ROTC, most of them Host, but a lot are Cross-town. I'm sure there are at least 5-10 more Privates in the USNWR top 100 but I just don't remember them right now. Then you've got Privates outside the TOp 100, such as Marist, Clarkson, etc. And for LACs, Claremont McKenna, and I don't know how many more.

    Basically 40 Private scholarships for the entire country means:

    1) Most Private Colleges with have either 1 or 0 cadets on scholarship
    2) ROTC will accomodate only 15-18% of the "private school" scholarships offered to cadets at the USMA. Yes, I realize USMA is a public, but its size, student/teacher ratio, etc. is like that of a Private.
    3) Most of the ROTC scholarships to Privates will be offered to USMA matched applicants who prefer a "traditional" college experience at a private school.
    4) as you say, MOST ROTC applicants this mission set, or Year Group 16, will need to rethink their PRIVATE school plans. 40 awards for at least 200 private schools participating in ROTC, with those 40 being sought by at least 4000 qualified applicants... the math says 1/100 will get the award.

    I'll bet that four years ago, the number of AROTC Scholarships available for use at Private colleges/Universities was more like 150-200. Possibly much higher. anyone know?

    If this is happening with Army ROTC, I have to believe the same is true of Navy ROTC. PFlying-17 wrote on this Board a few days ago that Navy for the first time in several years will not award a scholarship for use at *any* school within a Battalion, but to a specified School within a Battalion. This is to force use of the NROTC scholarship at a Public that is part of a Battalion containing Privates as well.

    Basically ROTC at Private colleges/Universities will become a very, very small part of the ROTC program. Last year several commented that ROTC was going to target, going forward, either Public, or Privates in the very top Tier... let's just say top 30 in USNRW. That basically means Privates outside that top tier will see their scholarship cadets eventually graduate, not replace them with incoming MSI scholarship cadets, and the ROTC programs on those privates will become, over the next four years, very small -- say 1-5 total cadets (MSI - MSIV) per private school.

    As I think this through, I just cannot believe that the 20% of $8M budget for ROTC scholarship for Privates that Marist menioned is for the entire country, all 8 Brigades... it just doesn't add up.
     
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  19. debcst

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    Seems like the process is changing and none of us has the whole story.

    Marist's info about campus based scholarships offered in the fall is different from the PRB letter stating that they will be offered by mid April, and the wording in the letter referring to "the majority of our scholarships" being campus-based would indicate that they are planning to award more than the 0-1 that the $$ would imply.

    As DS is not in receipt of either an ROTC scholarship or college acceptance (yet!) it's a theoretical issue for now..hopefully more info will become available during the process.

    Thanks for all of the input- I will post any new information as I learn it!
     
  20. Jcleppe

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    This money that is talked about is only the dollars that will be available for scholarships. People seem to think that if scholarships are not offered ROTC will fade away at the private schools as well as other universities, just not so. These battalions have been around for many, many years, survived just fine when scholarships were very rare, they will continue to survive now that scholarships are being cut back.

    It was either Marist or Clarkson that said they had one of their largest MS1 classes in a few years which also had the lowest number of scholarship awardees as well.

    ROTC will not disappear because the scholarships are cut back, it hasn't before and it won't now.

    I do agree with you though that the Privates will most definatly need to ramp up recruiting efforts.
     

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