March 8th, 2011 AROTC Board

also received a packet in the mail today requesting us to set up a DODMERB physical within the next 5 days.... names of local physicians included.

Like others above, wondering if this means a scholarship offer is soon to arrive... or not.

In the past, the DoDMERB physical notice has not been a positive indicator of whether a scholarship offer is in the works. It seems that these physical notices are generated at random. I, frankly, don't understand why the Army would initiate these physicals without a scholarship offer given that funds are tight. But just because there has not been a correlation in the past does not mean there is no correlation now.

That said, you should IMMEDIATELY begin the DoDMERB process. Today! There are many hiccups that can occur in the DoDMERB process, and the sooner you begin this process, the better. Do not wait until you hear from AROTC, and try to schedule the earliest possible appointment. Good luck!!!
 
In our case, the initial DodMERB letter came and then the NROTC scholarship came a week or two later. I know NROTC is not run the same as AROTC, but I still believe that the military does not waste DodMERB exams on people who aren't being recommended for scholarships. The DoDMERB process is expensive for the military to run. Thus, I think that the letter telling an applicant to get started on the DoDMERB is a very good sign! Make the medical appointments right away!! Good luck, and be sure to let everyone know if you do get a scholarship!
 
Deemed competitive

In our case, the initial DodMERB letter came and then the NROTC scholarship came a week or two later. I know NROTC is not run the same as AROTC, but I still believe that the military does not waste DodMERB exams on people who aren't being recommended for scholarships. The DoDMERB process is expensive for the military to run. Thus, I think that the letter telling an applicant to get started on the DoDMERB is a very good sign! Make the medical appointments right away!! Good luck, and be sure to let everyone know if you do get a scholarship!

Army ROO told me that CC does send some DoDMERB notifications to those that are not yet selected for scholarships and may not be. Larry Mullen of the DoDMERB forum said they are sent to those "deemed competitive" for future boards.
 
We got the packet in September and are now waiting on our 3rd board. While it would make sense to only have those getting scholarships, get the physical, I unfortunately don't think that is the case. I think it is just an accepted waste of money in the process. Because of the large numbers being offered these scholarships, there is probbaly no way to get the physicals done and evaluated within the time frame the kids need to make decisions. So they just have everyone get tested and then when acceptances come through, hopefully only waiting on waivers and stragglers.
 
We got the packet in September and are now waiting on our 3rd board. While it would make sense to only have those getting scholarships, get the physical, I unfortunately don't think that is the case. I think it is just an accepted waste of money in the process. Because of the large numbers being offered these scholarships, there is probbaly no way to get the physicals done and evaluated within the time frame the kids need to make decisions. So they just have everyone get tested and then when acceptances come through, hopefully only waiting on waivers and stragglers.

I think you are totally correct. They do the same thing for SA candidates -- not everyone who passes DoDMERB receives an appointment. It's "an accepted waste of money in the process". If they didn't do it, things would get totally backed up in the spring/summer.
 
We got the packet in September and are now waiting on our 3rd board. While it would make sense to only have those getting scholarships, get the physical, I unfortunately don't think that is the case. I think it is just an accepted waste of money in the process. Because of the large numbers being offered these scholarships, there is probbaly no way to get the physicals done and evaluated within the time frame the kids need to make decisions. So they just have everyone get tested and then when acceptances come through, hopefully only waiting on waivers and stragglers.

They used to test everyone when you did your application, now they do not. Last year they did not send the package until you received the scholarship. (Unless you already went through it due to a SA application.)

Not sure what is triggering it this year. It's clearly not everyone, as many have not received the package.
However, don't panic if you haven't received one yet as it may randomly be sent to those that are deemed competitive and may not.
 
Totally Agree

They used to test everyone when you did your application, now they do not. Last year they did not send the package until you received the scholarship. (Unless you already went through it due to a SA application.)

Not sure what is triggering it this year. It's clearly not everyone, as many have not received the package.
However, don't panic if you haven't received one yet as it may randomly be sent to those that are deemed competitive and may not.

Many who have not been sent a packet will receive one once selected and those that have received them are random based on ROO's information.

Order and chaos are definitely wed in this process.
 
I think it means a scholarship is to be announced in the next few days.

Here's my thinking:

1) There are no more Boards
2) The awardees from the Jan 4 Board have already accepted or declined their award. There are no unknowns at this point. Cadet command has an EXACT number of awards that were put back into the pool by April 2, the day after the Jan 4 Board awardees had to accept or decline.
3) the stack rank coming out of the March 8 Board has already been compared against the # of scholarships still available from point (2) above.
4) why spend several hundred dollars on each medical exam given to "competitive" applicants that will not be awarded in the next few days? Cadet Command already has the EXACT list of awardees, they just haven't mailed them out yet.

My thoughts do not account for any fluctuation from the Federal Gov't threatened shut-down, or the fact that the ROTC budget may have changed in the past week.

All that put together, I give 80% odds for an award to arrive within the next ten days to anyone receiving a DODMERB letter this week.
 
I think it means a scholarship is to be announced in the next few days.

Here's my thinking:

1) There are no more Boards
2) The awardees from the Jan 4 Board have already accepted or declined their award. There are no unknowns at this point. Cadet command has an EXACT number of awards that were put back into the pool by April 2, the day after the Jan 4 Board awardees had to accept or decline.
3) the stack rank coming out of the March 8 Board has already been compared against the # of scholarships still available from point (2) above.
4) why spend several hundred dollars on each medical exam given to "competitive" applicants that will not be awarded in the next few days? Cadet Command already has the EXACT list of awardees, they just haven't mailed them out yet.

My thoughts do not account for any fluctuation from the Federal Gov't threatened shut-down, or the fact that the ROTC budget may have changed in the past week.

All that put together, I give 80% odds for an award to arrive within the next ten days to anyone receiving a DODMERB letter this week.

So, does that, in your opinion, give any hope for those who have been DoDMerb qualified for quite some time (December for a large group), or is this another stirring of the mud?
 
It can't hurt to get someone started on the DODMERB even though they don't have/won't get a scholarship offer. Assuming that the applicant still wants to be an Army Officer they still need to get qualified. If anything getting the probables started on their DODMERB may keep them on the hook. Just a ROOs perspective.
 
DodMerb

my son shows up as qualified on dodmerb site, but remedial on national site when our college looks up his name. Anyways to fix this, or do you think it will effect him?
 
Not that this information matters - just another look at how the order of things can be different.

My DD received a scholarship in the Jan. 4th board, but did not receive her DoDMERB letter from Concorde until yesterday. I spoke to the ROO at her school last month and he ended up requesting the physical. DD got a call and set up her appointment before getting the letter!

It looks like she will do all of the testing required during this appointment.

Good luck to everyone!!
 
I agree with clarkson, but I will put a different twist on it from keeping them hooked.

IMPO DodMERB is always that variable. After being here for 3+ yrs I don't have enough toes and fingers on my hand, my immediate family's or grandparents, aunts and uncles to say how many I have seen get nailed with a DQ that was unforeseen.

Many are waiverable, but it does create issues re:scholarships. I could see from a ROO's POV that although a candidate did not get a scholarship, but has been cleared by DodMERB that they know this candidate may be one to keep an eye on if they reapply for IS, compared to a walk on where the DodMERB is an unknown.

Nobody wants to address the elephant in the room (no pun intended politically), but the fact is anyone who follows this budget issue knows the DoD will take a hit fiscally in the VERY NEAR future (FY2011-2012). Anyone who follows the economy and rising costs of college also will realize that competition will increase because when you have a DoD budget that is expected to decrease and the economy to remain stagnant, the supply for scholarships will not meet the demand.

Anyone ever associated with the military understands medical waivers. When they need personnel, they are given out like candy at Halloween, when they are at their capacity, waivers disappear. They no longer have to give a waiver for correctable eyesight or allergies.

The key is the word "waiver". As I stated before, I can't tell you how many candidates I have seen on this board that were shocked to realize their child needed a waiver. These candidates had yrly physicals, played athletic sports and never realized they would fail the vision test (FALANT) or that when they were young, and mis-diagnosed with Asthma instead of allergies it would create an issue. Few and I mean few (no offense, but I would say only military parents) are cognizant that what is written in their child's medical records at 8, 10 or 12 will become a player in whether or not they can get a scholarship.

Bullet and I were very cognizant of how much DodMERB played in the system when at the age of 10 are DS said he wanted to be a JAG for the AF. When he was in 10th grade, we started to talk to the docs to make sure his physicals for sports were done DoDMERB, not school. The flight docs even would write DoDMERB cleared.

Reason why? Because you must submit your medical history.

You need to be very proactive when it comes to DodMERB, especially more so in this economy. If there is an issue, be prepared with records.

If my child was going to apply for ROTC or an SA now I would have what is called a long physical done privately. That means everything from their ears to their toes, not sports. If something is found, start the process of specialty docs this way come next yr you will already have back up proof when you need the waiver process, and your scholarship may move faster. It will slow down, but if you have proof of the exams and they meet the DodMERB requirements it will move faster. Additionally, it protects your child medically. Think about all of the sudden you realize your child failed the FALANT (very typical), and never knew that they had this issue. You are helping them, scholarship or no scholarship.

I know I went off topic, but I felt it was needed to understand how much DodMERB impacts the process.

Good luck
 
my son shows up as qualified on dodmerb site, but remedial on national site when our college looks up his name. Anyways to fix this, or do you think it will effect him?

Our DS is in the same situation. The person he talked to at CC told him that his university AROTC would be able to act as his advocate to get it all straight. He needs to call, but hasn't gotten around to it yet.
 
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I should emphasize that my reasoning applies ONLY to those who went before the March 8 Board for the first time.

Those who applied to Academies, or were in earlier Boards, I don't know if my reasoning would apply to those sets of people.
 
My apologies in advance for going a bit off topic. Meeting was cancelled so I obviously have way to much time on my hands.

Just a couple thought and observations.

This has been a stressful year for applicants and their parents. The process keeps changing and has taken twists and turns nobody could have expected. I was talking with my older son Sunday night after he returned from Spring FTX. Hard to believe he will be a senior and MS4 next year. This made me reflect on a process that began nearly 3 1/2 years ago.

My son first came to us with the plan to do ROTC back in Oct. of 2007. We had attended a state university program for perspective students. My son spent some time talking with the AROTC folks at a table they had set up. They gave him the standard talk about the program, first 2 years no obligation, contract for the advanced program, be medically qualified, and commission at graduation. This all sounded great to him and he was hooked. They never mentioned scholarships to him at that time.

His plan at that time was that he would just wait until registration, sign up for ROTC classes and continue on. He saw ROTC as just part of school and a path to being commissioned an Army Officer.

DS had explored traditional scholarships and received some small ones along the way. The thought of an ARMY Scholarship was still an unknown. It wasn't until we stumbled on the GoArmy website and saw a link to Scholarships that we even knew they existed. Luckily it was 15 days before the deadline, he quickly filled out the application, and sent in the required documents. The interview happened in about 2 weeks, one month later he received the schiolarship to 5 schools, next came dodmerb, it all happened very fast.

Fast forward to my younger son. Again by accident we found this board, it was then we realized how different the process was now, and how competetive it had become. I must say we began to think that our ingorance of the process the first time around was truely Bliss. While my son's goal was the same, the scholarship application became the cloud that hung over all our heads. DS #2 finally took a step back and realized that joining ROTC and commissioning as an officer in the Army was in fact the main goal, and all of that was within his control. The scholarship was secondary to that goal. Once he began to think of the process in that way the stress level dropped considerably.

I guess my point in all this rambling is this; When kids get close to their senior year they begin to think about college, their goal begins to be attend college and graduate with a degree of their choice. Paying for college for most kids is an afterthought, one that usually makes them realize "Wow, that's how much it costs". ROTC is just a part of that college experience.

My faith in our youth has risen a lot from reading about all the great kids on this board. The underlying message from almost all the kids is that they will participate in ROTC with or without the scholarship. It is wonderful to see kids put their goals in such a great perspective.

The scholarship is a way to help pay for college, not receiving one doesn't end the dream or goals they have set for themselves. I have no doubt that most of the kids represented on this board will continue to achieve their goals.

Pima's husband Bullet wrote a terrific post about goals and how not to let anything stand in your way. On the day your sons or daughters graduate and commission it won't matter if they were scholarship or non scholarship cadets, they will all be LT's and they as well as us will be proud.

Good luck to everyone still waiting, and good luck to all these future cadets, you make us all proud.

Sorry again for all the rambling, slow work day.
 
Has anyone else noticed that when you check the scholarship application status right now it shows up as a Network Error?

Is this just me or could they possibly be updating the statuses?
 
Has anyone else noticed that when you check the scholarship application status right now it shows up as a Network Error?

Is this just me or could they possibly be updating the statuses?

Yup - I got the same message...could it really be? Nah, probably not...just wishful thinking :rolleyes:
 
Has anyone else noticed that when you check the scholarship application status right now it shows up as a Network Error?

Is this just me or could they possibly be updating the statuses?

We are having the same problem. Hopeful that your question could be the answer. Yet doubtful that anyone would be working this late.???:rolleyes:
 
Has anyone else noticed that when you check the scholarship application status right now it shows up as a Network Error?

Is this just me or could they possibly be updating the statuses?

Is it just my experience, or has the Army ROTC Scholarship web portal been marked by poor technical performance? It was down multiple times at or near submission deadlines, and at one point was redirecting to what seemed like a sham site. Also, from other forum entries, it looks like it did the same thing in one or two prior years. Anyone else have similar issues?
 
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