Nominations for Athletes

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  1. cs.hoosier

    cs.hoosier New Member

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    Do high school students still have to compete for congressional nominations after being recruited to play at USNA? I know a guy in my congressional district that basically committed to play lacrosse at the USNA before receiving a nomination from any congressional source - so how does that work exactly?
     
  2. usnabgo08

    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    It is not required, per se, if they have a nomination from another source. However, most "other sources" have a limit on the number of appointments per year -- so many athletes still will need to compete for a MOC nomination. Who knows the circumstances in this case...but I wouldn't dwell on it much...maybe his commitment was through an LOA with stipulation of receiving a nomination. Either way it has no affect on you.
     
  3. time2

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    In order to be considered for an appointment, everyone (including recruited athletes) needs to have a NOM.
     
  4. Letsdothis

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    Time2- I don't know how it works though- we have a recruited athlete who lives around the corner from us- to my knowledge he didnt go through the same channels as my kiddo for a nomination...... He "signed" with Navy before we were even notified about the timeline for congressional interviews. And he didn't interview. He's a great kid and awesome athlete, a great fit for USNA.... But there is seemingly a different process for recruits.
     
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  5. MemberLG

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    Answer is yes and no. A nomination is required for an appointment. A recruited athlete could get a nomination from the Superintendent. Sometimes, a recruited athlete getting a nomination from his or her Congressperson does not work. The candidate might not be competitive enough to win the Congressional district, be appointed through the National Waiting List, or they don't want to use a National Waiting List slot for this recruit, than even if this recruit has 3 Congressional nominations, the SA will use the Supe's nomination.
     
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  6. NavyHoops

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    It depends on the athlete and sport. Some sports have Noms essentially in their pocket to give. These are usually Supt's noms. Remember that there are only 50 Supt's noms total. There are 31 or something D1 teams at USNA. Even if they give 25 of those to some sports teams to use for recruits that is very very few to spread around a few teams. The overwhelming large majority of recruits, except for a few handfuls, are told to apply to all Nom sources. A recruit is still required to qualify 3Q and meet all minimums to be admitted. There is no short application for them. Even if you see an athlete 'committing' there is nothing legally binding to that at Navy as no one signs a National Letter of Intent like other schools. The coaches know if they have met the cut for minimums academically. Kids who do 'sign' are doing it in name only and not anything like they would at another school. So a recruited athlete still could fail their DODMERB and not qualify even after their 'commitment'. The only commitment they sign is the same as a regular candidate... An appointment acceptance. Sometimes the media and kids egos can inflate the process and think they are getting special applications, which is honestly false. In reality these types of 'offers' are extremely rare, a dozen or two total a year.
     
  7. Letsdothis

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    I know this kid well enough to know he would easily meet the minimums and he did pass DODMERB. I sure hope his acceptance is "in the mail." He turned down LOTS of schools for USNA.
     
  8. Coach62

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    I know a recruited athlete that did not get a Nom for AFA, they got him in through the prep school, which I guess does not require a Nom, correct?
     
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    That's true coach, but a nom would be needed the next year.
     
  10. Future2020

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    Just wanted to say that I am a recruited athlete for the class of 2020 and I received a LOA in early November. I was required to interview and compete for a congressional nomination. However, as soon as I received my LOA the coaches and admissions offices stepped in and offered support through the process. I don't know the exact actions that they took but I did receive the nomination towards the end of last month . From what I can piece together a congressman will most likely nominate you if a "recruited" or LOA status has been verbalized from the academy. Hope this helps.
     
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    usnabgo08 USNA 2008/BGO

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    Their involvement might have been sending a copy of the LOA to the MOC, which is standard practice for all candidates.
     
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  12. Coach62

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    This is his second year, so they must have found one. He was recruited for football, but is now playing D1 Rugby.

    I was his travel and middle school basketball coach for many years. I just saw him the other day and he's doing well, still calls me coach, LOL.
     
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    I've often wondered why an MOC would not nominate a candidate who was either a recruited athlete or had an LOA (or both), since it is a sneaky way to get multiple candidates on their slate awarded an appointment - even if the appointment is not technically charged to the MOC. In all likelihood, the academy is going to get those candidates in, one way or another - even if they have to get creative. There is a lot of room for creativity in the nomination process.
     
  14. TSC Navy Nana

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    NAPS - Naval Academy Prep School does require a nom. And then, they have to get another one (or the same one again) for the entrance into USNA.
     
  15. NavyHoops

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    A Nom is NOT required for Prep. They do have to secure one the following year to gain an appointment.
     
  16. TSC Navy Nana

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    They made our Napsters apply for the nominations to attend NAPS and then helped them secure one. They have already applied and received their noms for next year at USNA. Not sure why they made them to it last year if it wasn't needed?
     
  17. NavyHoops

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    Because you don't apply to the Prep School, you apply to USNA. And USNA requires a Nom. Most NAPS appointments aren't made until March or slightly later, so everyone applies like normal and that includes Noms. Some are earlier, but usually fall in the recruited athlete category as a coach knows the kid needs academic help before attending USNA, even then a coach will have them complete he application because it's required and apply for Noms in case they want to get them a direct appointment.
     
  18. TSC Navy Nana

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    That makes sense- thanks for the explanation. I just knew they had to get one twice!
     
  19. Coach62

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    In the case of the kid I know, he did not receive a Nom for AF, he got one to NA. He was all set to go into NA when AF called and offered him a prep spot. They may have found him a Nom, but I know the story to be true, like I said I coached him in BB for several years. In my discussions with his father, I got the impression they did find a Nom for him for AF but never knew where it came from, but who knows.
     
  20. NavyHoops

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    Things like that do happen with athletes. It's a matter of how things all shake out and honestly where on a list a recruit falls in the depth chart. Prep is a way to secure a kid without a Nom, since no Nom is required. It's also why kids are sworn in as reservists at the Prep school as it opens up additional Nom sources for the following year. Some coaches use the prep schools more than others.
     

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