Online Application Status Added CFT#2 Today

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  1. John41057

    John41057 Member

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    DS has LOA but today application page added the Candidate Fitness Assessment #2. No letter requesting DS re-take. I am confused as to why it showed up after getting LOA. He did OK on CFT but not stellar. Better than average on first three and lower than average bottom 3. He runs the 60 in 6.37 but took 8 min to finish the mile at the end CFT as it did kick his you know what. Any thoughts?
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    John
     
  2. LFry94

    LFry94 USAFA C1C '17

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    That's probably what's getting him. Running gets much harder up at the hill so its an area that they really look at. If he has the chance to retake it, he should work on running at least a mile a day and his time will improve. Have him shoot for 6 minute miles and it will really increase his endurance.
     
  3. kdc246

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    First, I would suggest a call to admissions to verify that they want him to retake it (my guess is they do, but always verify). Make sure they tell you whether or not his package will move forward with/without re-accomplishing the CFA. If they tell you he needs to retake the CFA, I then suggest you practice, practice, practice doing the entire CFA before submitting the scores again.
    The CFA is designed to find your weakness. That is why the time between each event is monitored. It test total fitness. Each event takes something out of you, and therefore affects the run, which is last. It is the cumulative effect of all the events that is so taxing.
    My DS spent an entire summer practicing for the CFA, he was already an athlete(swimmer). We made him go to the park weekly and we ran practice CFA's every Sunday. To say that he hated it was an understatement, that is until it came time to do the actual CFA, then he thanked us. He didn't max any one event but all of his scores were above the average. He ended up running a 5:55 on the run, which really made his day (swimmers do not make the best runners, they are more comfortable in water).
    LFry94 is right the altitude kicks butt. DS complained for a long time. Still complains about it during swim practice. Nearing the 5 month mark and he is starting to adapt with his swimming (he swims the 200 yd Butterfly)
     
  4. John41057

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    CFT #2

    HI
    I know it was the mile that killed him as he was beat when it was over. I told him to prepare but he just (knew he was an athlete) and has no weight issues he would do fine. Hard to get teenagers to listen to us old men who have done boot camp. The letter to retake showed up on web site today and I gave it to my DS. He know he needs to start running and he has no excuses. As I said he has a great body weight at 6ft 170 and can run the 60 in 6.48. But he needs to get his cardio up. I assume he can take a month or so to get into better shape as he has the LOA and needs to do better the second time around.
    Regards
    John
     
  5. LFry94

    LFry94 USAFA C1C '17

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    If he runs every day for a month I am confident he could run it in 6:48 after the CFA. Pass it on. :thumb:
     
  6. John41057

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    Hi
    He set up a trainer at school to start working with him after school. It is the same trainer that kills the football players, so I assume he will get good work out of DS. He said 4 weeks and he would be much better. I also told him DS would stay with this program until school is over so as to be in top shape for BCT. He just ran the treadmill rested and still took 7.5 for the mile...needs cardio!! Will be running up hills to get stronger soon!
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    John
     
  7. Blackbird

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    +1:thumb: for the trainer. As a swimmer, DS had great cardio but needed to work on some of the other events including running which uses a different muscle set than swimming.
     
  8. lsredmond

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    My daughter was asked to re-take the CFA and it showed up on the website way before a postcard was sent to notify her of the request. So expect a postcard soon.
     
  9. Pima

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    Only the AFA can open that portal. Candidates cannot request it. It is the AFA's way to send a strong signal regarding their commitment to the candidate.

    I can't recall which poster it was LY, but they had an LOA like your DS, and the AFA made them take it 3X.

    The CFA is a situation where if you fail one portion, you fail the entire CFA. Don't rush this, he has an LOA. Take the time and train. If he doesn't he could be like the other poster and taking it a 3rd time.

    Just curious, are you sure it was just running, and not Pull-ups or BBall throw? Pull-ups and BBall are typically the killers. Max for Pull-ups is 18, 100 ft for BBall. Only you know what those numbers are, but if it 6 pull-ups, maybe it was more than 1 aspect.

    Make sure he trains in all aspects.

    Good luck...Don't rush it. He has an LOA, and because of that is sitting in a better place than the majority of candidates.
     
  10. John41057

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    CFT

    Basketball Throw = 77 OK
    Pull-Ups = 15 OK
    Shuttle Run = 8.3 OK

    Sit-Ups 55 Poor
    Push-ups 30 Poor
    Mile Run 8.09 Really Poor

    As you can see 1st three OK, last three poor. He is working with school trainer to get cardio up and improve. Since he has LOA and MOC he can afford to take a month or so and get into better shape. 6ft 175
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    John
     
  11. Dad

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    Sounds like your DS has an active plan. He know his targets. Best wishes for a successful outcome! :thumb:
     
  12. John41057

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    CFT AstroTurf

    One thing I failed to mention was to never run your mile on AstroTurf. John did his and I really feel that was a mistake as I thank it uses more energy and slows you down. His school has no track and only a artificial turf football field to run around. Next time to real track!!
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    John
     
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    Astro Turf

    Really? That kinda makes me nervous because my school has no track as well (except one about a mile away that is a 200 meter track).... would you recommend trying to get to that 200 meter track for my mile? Oh and my plan is to run it on astro turf but with my cross county spikes on
     
  14. Dad

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    Since you have to do all events within the given time parameters, be sure that the 'real track' has pull-up bars near by. Also, if there was no track, how did your son know he ran exactly a mile? Just curious. Also, be sure that if you run on a typical 400m track that you don't use the Start/Finish line as that will be too far (longer than 1 mile). That could be why his 'mile' time was so high. Best wishes. :thumb:
     
  15. Packer

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    1 mile = 1609 meters. 4 laps on a 400 meter track is actully just a bit less than a mile but the time difference is only a couple of seconds.
     
  16. John41057

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    CFT Astro Turf

    Hi
    Coach uses it for all the track runners and knows how many times around, then places a cone for the finish line that equates to the end of the mile. I asked him about this and he said it was exact. My concern with using a astro turf is the spring may use extra energy. (See study below)
    Regards
    John


    Abstract. The aim of the present study was to examine the effects of different sport surfaces on athletic performance by means of muscle performance. Twenty two elite male basketball players, aged between 17 and 28, participated in this study. This study was executed on 7 different sport surfaces: asphalt, synthetic grass, natural grass, tile powder, soil, wooden parquet and EPDM (Ethylene Propylene Diene Monomer). Leg strength (LS) and vertical jumping height (VJH) were measured at rest and after a given training protocol on each surface. Surface compliance was evaluated with a drop test using a medicine ball. Asphalt and synthetic grass were the most fatiguing, natural grass, soil and tile powder were moderately fatiguing, parquet and EPDM were the least fatiguing surfaces. The results of surface compliance were inconsistent with those obtained in LS and VJH tests. As the compliance of the surface increased LS and VJH increased, i.e. performance was decreased. The results of the present study suggest that it is better to use parquet and EPDM in construction of indoor sport surfaces. On the other hand, it may be appropriate to build outdoor surfaces with natural grass because of its aesthetic and visual impacts and its contribution to the amount of urban green area.
    In this study, muscle performance was found to be effected by the compliance of a sport surface. Parquet and EPDM were more compliant and less fatiguing surfaces, whereas asphalt and synthetic grass were hard and most fatiguing ones. Besides, natural grass, soil and tile powder were moderately compliant and fatiguing surfaces. The results of the present study suggest that it is better to use parquet and EPDM in building of indoor sport surfaces.
     
  17. Stealth_81

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    Check ahead of time with the test administrator about this. The directions state:

    Candidates should wear clothing and shoes that are
    appropriate for physical training such as shorts, T-shirts,
    socks, and running shoes (tennis/basketball shoes are not
    recommended for the one-mile run). Any item that gives
    a candidate an unfair advantage is not permitted during
    the CFA
    . Wearing devices such as weight belts or elastic
    bandages may or may not provide an advantage.
    However, for standardization purposes, such additional
    equipment is not authorized unless prescribed by medical
    personnel. The only exceptions are appropriate cold
    weather apparel while running outdoors.


    I am not sure how spikes would be interpreted with this. Also remember, the spikes would have to be worn for all events since you wouldn't waste rest time between events by changing shoes.

    Stealth_81
     
  18. Pima

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    I agree with Stealth on both counts. I seem to recall that question being posed before and the answer was NO, they are not allowed. I def. recall candidates being told they could not wear the sneakers that look like your feet. If that is the case, I would think spikes def. give an edge.

    My assumption would be they want to mimic the PT at the AFA.*

    The other issue is as Stealth stated there is not enough time to change out of the spikes in between each section.
     

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