Plebe Summer - First Phone Call on Sunday July 11th

I know nothing about the concept of resilience but I would say that many of the traits which allow "positive behavioral adaptation when encountering significant adversity, trauma, tragedy, significant stress" would be measured directly by one's WPM, and therefore, considered in the Admissions process. However, I know of no method of measuring for homesickness which, therefore, causes it to remain an unknown.

Mongo, the Candidate Multiple (CM) plus the Recommendation of Admissions Board (RAB) = the Whole Person Multiple (WPM). The CM is the quantitative input and the RAB the qualitative input (subjective, unobservable traits not captured in CM, for example essays, recommendations, etc..). The WPM does not directly measure resilience, though it may take into account challenging life circumstances. The USNA likely refines the WPM as new studies are done and data analysed.

There are accepted, valid methods for assessing resilience. And, if you search the peer reviewed literature, you will find valid measures of homesickness as well.

This is an interesting study (Hollenbach, 2003) on plebe summer attrition predictors:

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA417158
 
My Opinion:

For the plebes that are really struggling I believe there are 3 main possibilities that have put them into a feeling of despair. As a parent there is not much you can do about this durring plebe summer and overall they have to work it out themselves.

1. Homesickness - It sounds to simple but a lot of plebes have been hit with a shocking massive case of homesickness. These are smart kids and they have realized the life they knew, in effect their childhood, has come to an abrupt and ugly halt. They also realize, if they stay, life as they knew it will never be the same.

2. Failing Badly and Often - Before I-Day these are really smart kids who never really failed at much. Academics, sports, life in general most kids did very well and received praise and accolades from parents, teachers, and coaches. If something did not go well mom & dad were there to kiss the boo boo's. I-Day arrives and it's learning a new way of life and the Detailers are not mom and dad. The Detailers find faults, and throw them back in the plebes faces in a very ungentle manner usually with a lot of 4 letter words. What's worse, failings are not private but company wide affairs. For the plebes that are struggling, frustrations of past failures and fear of the next failure have them in a very unhappy state of mind and a place they have never been before. They have to work their way though this.

3. Being Unplugged - This is one of the first generations that does NOT know what is like not to have just cell phones but smart phones with texting, web access, and 24/7 access to social net working sites. A lot of these kids are very comfortable living significant portions of their lives in a virtual world. Well I-Day arrived and they got unplugged from that world for probably the first time in their lives. Plebes are living in a 100% analog world that is not very pleasant. They do not have the ability to retreat into a comfort zone inside their virtual world. I believe this is contributing to and amplifying feelings of higher anxiety and stress that every plebe goes through. I got this directly from my Detailer Mid.

My Recommendation to parents ( Opinion)

Continue to be positive in your letters and phone calls, write often, and give them a goal that you will see them at PPW. PPW is now a very obtainable goal that is less than a month away. If they have not gone Tango yet, probability is very high they will not and make it to PPW.

PPW - They made it though plebe summer. They passed the first test and hurdle. It's a positive to build off. Within the next 2 weeks communications return, e-mail definitely and most likely cell phones. Communications will make a huge difference to both of you. They can complain and you can listen. You may feel bad for them but they will feel better and move on.

AC Year - AC year provides a comfort zone to a lot of plebes that struggled during plebe summer. They were very good students and academics is a strength. On the flip side there will be plebes who sailed through plebe summer and hit academics and struggle. In either case the goal is to get to Thanksgiving. The next goal is Christmas and the end of the semester. Always define the year in manageable chucks and goals for your plebe.

Lastly, if your Mid absolutely decides that the Naval Academy is not right for them and just wants out. Respect their decision and help them move forward into another part of their life. They are still great kids, smart and full of potential. The Naval Academy and a Military lifestyle was just not the right fit for them.
 
I belive the more correct term should have been motivating by swearing like a sailor. :smile:
 
There are accepted, valid methods for assessing resilience. And, if you search the peer reviewed literature, you will find valid measures of homesickness as well.

This is an interesting study (Hollenbach, 2003) on plebe summer attrition predictors:

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA417158

777Flyer

Very interesting Study. You may want to start a seperate thead on this. Believe it would provoke some interesting communications with prospective candidates, grads, BGO's, and parents.
 
I don't know if i should laugh or cry---thank you all for the support---by the way I have a new acronym for the list-a good friend calls us the -----Parents of Miserable Plebes Club. So lets see--PMPC? Got to keep a sense of humor don't we?
 
No swearing and no cursing are current regulations. No touching unless to rearange uniform or correct position. Put a sheath on the bayonet and hit Achmed with a pillow when he comes in range. Don't use the 50 you might kill someone. Then again they can get a "Medal" for not engaging the enemy. :shake: DI's and TI's must be rolling over in their graves.
 
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Have received a lot of stories in the letters received from Plebe. I think their vocabulary has expanded greatly!
 
"Current" for me might be a change within the last forty years.:thumb:
 
Blackhawkmom,

I can't even pretend to know how you are feeling, but I at least have experience on being the plebe...it might take some time, but as a plebe you have to learn to adapt and overcome. I know some people might read your comment about your son having to choose b/w brushing his teeth and shaving and think that's horrible. I have to ask you this question...has your son tried brushing his teeth while showering? Multi-tasking as a Plebe is essential...this will also come in handy throughout your time at USNA and in the Fleet/Marine Corps.

As a NAPSter I had to teach my roommates these little tricks I had learned to help save time.

As far as all the crap that he's going through, just continue to encourage him. I'll keep you and him in my prayers as I know these 6wks are tough...hang in there, you're halfway through Plebe Summer.
 
^^^ 02 is right on. Halfway through and the current goal is make tomorrow and then PPW. After that Reform and then the upperclass will have their own problems. God bless NAPSTERS and priors. Mongo: Mirror Lake Yosemite used to be a real lake but that changed for the worse also.
 
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Blackhawkmom,

I can't even pretend to know how you are feeling, but I at least have experience on being the plebe...it might take some time, but as a plebe you have to learn to adapt and overcome. I know some people might read your comment about your son having to choose b/w brushing his teeth and shaving and think that's horrible. I have to ask you this question...has your son tried brushing his teeth while showering? Multi-tasking as a Plebe is essential...this will also come in handy throughout your time at USNA and in the Fleet/Marine Corps.

As a NAPSter I had to teach my roommates these little tricks I had learned to help save time.

As far as all the crap that he's going through, just continue to encourage him. I'll keep you and him in my prayers as I know these 6wks are tough...hang in there, you're halfway through Plebe Summer.

We are USAFA 88 grads, and DH STILL does this. Old habits die hard. Great Advice :thumb:
 
I have to ask you this question...has your son tried brushing his teeth while showering? Multi-tasking as a Plebe is essential...this will also come in handy throughout your time at USNA and in the Fleet/Marine Corps.

LOL. You must have been a Marine. Try this on a ship and the CHENG will probably be chasing you down the passageway with a spanner wrench in his hand. Too much time in the shower is a cardinal sin of water conservation. Good advice though when water is not an issue.
 
LOL ditto. I still brush my teeth in the shower if I'm in a hurry (ashore). My husband and I can both shower, get puffed and fluffed, complete with foo-foo, and get out the door in 15 minutes and out to date night. Comb hair, put on shoes at same time - all kinds of double-up tasks. A benefit of military life, that multi-tasking thing for both personal and professional actions.
[not sure I've seen "foo-foo juice" anywhere on here, but that's men's after-shave but can be extended to women's perfume] :yllol:
 
Too much time in the shower is a cardinal sin of water conservation. Good advice though when water is not an issue.
Try Submarines. The water priority was...Batteries, Cooks, Mess cooks and finally crew which meant a Marine ****** in the basins.!!:frown:
 
I don't know if i should laugh or cry---thank you all for the support---by the way I have a new acronym for the list-a good friend calls us the -----Parents of Miserable Plebes Club. So lets see--PMPC? Got to keep a sense of humor don't we?

Long-time lurker, first-time poster here. Never thought it'd be about Plebe Summer!

My Plebe Summer was in 1989. Despite the transit of the years, every summer I look at the I-day photos and it might as well be looking at myself and my classmates (except we had stripe-topped socks). The smell of sweat mixed with white works is indescribable and indelibly etched upon my brain. To this day, whenever I have to sit forward on a chair, the edge finds the "dent" in my backside permanently rode into it by the 3" edge from Plebe Summer and Plebe year. I lost 22 pounds (that I didn't really have to lose) because my detailer was fond of rating me at the beginning of meals. I hated almost all of it. Damage control was cool. PEP (except for the first 10 minutes) was a lot of fun, as was the O-course and Zodiacs and Lasers. But meals, uniform and rack races, learning to march - these things sucked mightily. I hated PS, and not a day has gone by in my 38 short years that I haven't been eternally, deeply grateful for that experience when I was barely 17. Some people go their whole lives not knowing how much more they can think, do, and become.

I think we vets of PS tend to romanticize Plebe Summer to some degree. You don't want to remember all the crappy times you stood dripping sweat in the hallway in your full parade dress, at attention and silent, alternated with the front leaning rest, loathing your sadistic detailer, wondering when this would end, wanting to quit and just hit somebody and get a drink...because recalling the events with their full-on crap-o-meter takes energy and effort.

In the moment, the same thing is happening with the plebes. What's going on for a lot of plebes is this. Irrational-experiential mind is taking in heavy doses of sweat, being hot, sunburn, eyes burning, throat sore from shouting, muscles aching, crazy-intense activity followed by seeming HOURS of stand absolutely still, hungry, tired, wrong, anxious, clumsy, wet, stinky...and the thinking, rational mind turns all that input overload into "THIS SUCKS! GET ME OUTTA HERE! I don't wanna be a Naval officer after all!"

BHM (and other "miserable plebe" parents) one of the best things you can do is remind your DSs (and DDs) of this. Plebe summer is not plebe year. Choosing during Plebe Summer is almost always a bad idea, because the decision is not only based on a purposely-unreal experience of Navy life, the decision is also made with the irrational brain in control dragging the thinking mind along for the ride. This is almost certain to leave regret.

Tell your son, don't let today's experiences - good OR bad - decide for him. Get through plebe summer. Resolve to succeed at that - whatever it is for him - no matter what the circumstances. THEN re-visit the decision process. Even for this non-theist, the chaplains were excellent listeners and offered wise counsel not designed to persuade me but to make me think. Urge him to talk openly with one.

Sending a good thought.
 
what a great post

long ago plebe-
Thanks for finally posting, maybe you should post more often. I think your words will help those with struggling plebes. Blackhawkmom - hope today's phone call brings better news for you. Hang in there!
 
Scenerio---Mom and Dad sitting by phone doing very little laundry as DS and DD are both no longer here-phone has been tested-water and Kleenex at phone-list of questions -list of supportive statements-list of suggestions as posted on forum-list of well wishers-list of what we have for care package--------tick tock tick tock---these are the longest hours almost as bad as labor!!!! Did something stupid and healing last night----after procrastinating for months on newspaper articles from awards,graduation ,sports etc-went through old container of children's keepsakes last night reviewing kindergarten thru high school ups and downs----have determined they grow up way to fast! Sad what our Saturday nights have been reduced to ---where is that ballgame? Helped me to have a in my face progression of maturity and determination-I feel better and have examples of goals reached by sheer determination and absolute pride along with "you can't beat me" attitudes---I'm armed and ready!!!!!
 
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