Promotion girl or ROTC student?

[LineInTheSand]

Uniformed personnel may not support private events in which their being there is part of the attraction. This person is not a member of the military. I don't pretend to know JROTC regulations.

Beyond that, when I can actually understand what MMM is trying to say, I don't agree with it. It's disjointed and misguided.

 

[Pima]

Confused here MMM, please explain.

Your child attends the US school system, you live in the US. You talk about Army recruiters contacting her.

DS is AF ROTC and all he had to do was say please REMOVE MY NAME FROM YOUR LIST as a HS student. They respected his decision. They did not stalk him.

You don't want her to serve this nation, I respect it, but why FLAME on this board? Was your intention to spin everyone up?

Hope she has a great life, but right now I am wavering on the fact that all you are is a troll.

I hope I am wrong.

 

[Marist College ROTC]

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Honestly, I will do everything to prevent her from going to active duty. I need her alive.

So why exactly did you choose to move to this country ? If you are so against our country and our armed forces maybe you should reconsider your choice.

I come from an immigrant family. Nothing would make me prouder if my children chose to serve our country.

It is an honor and a priviledge to live in a country where one is judged by their actions and not on who their parents are. I am guessing that this is something that your child already grasps since they have chosen to join JROTC.

 

[MMM]

Confused here MMM, please explain.

--- Pima,
1)You are free to waiver on whatever pleases you, but let me assure you, you are definitely wrong: I'm not a troll but quite oppositely, a very real human being. How about you? Besides, I need to say that switching from discussing a subject to discussing people's personalities is a very old, and very well-known trick.

2)I neither FLAME on this board, nor try to offend anybody. I do not use capitals except for abbreviations; you do. I know that if someone wants to feel offended, h/she will find a source of offense anyway. I ask questions. So why everybody spins up? Is it prohibited in the US to ask questions? Or it is prohibited in this forum? Why to have a forum then?

3)"DS is AF ROTC and all he had to do was say please REMOVE MY NAME FROM YOUR LIST as a HS student. " - What is DS? Who is "he" here? Whose name should be removed from a list? Please clarify.
And, I was not talking with you about army recruiters. I thought, you left the topic as you stated earlier.

 

[MMM]

Marist College ROTC,
I would rather discuss these matters in person. And I'm not against any country except maybe N.Korea. You probably should learn to read more attentively. I'm also not against your armed forces. I'm against the idea that my daughter will join them. Please think about the difference.

 

[scoutpilot]

BAN ME... GO FOR IT!

I second the motion.


Moving on...

MMM-

You seem to have stumbled into a cultural idiom we like to call "Poking the bear." This is a forum for military academy hopefuls, their parents, and others associated with that community. You came in here and posted what amounts to a treatise on the fact that you don't want your child in the armed services because, in essence, your kid is too valuable. In a place like this, that is heard as "the military is ok for your kids but my kid is waaaaay too valuable to be wasted on the military." Now, you'd have to be pretty dumb not to know that. Or you did, and wanted to poke the bear. The latter makes you a troll. People assumed the latter because they don't think you're dumb enough not to know what reaction your views would have. So you tell us...which is it?

 

[MMM]

In a place like this, that is heard as "the military is ok for your kids but my kid is waaaaay too valuable to be wasted on the military." Now, you'd have to be pretty dumb not to know that. Or you did, and wanted to poke the bear. The latter makes you a troll. People assumed the latter because they don't think you're dumb enough not to know what reaction your views would have. So you tell us...which is it?

--- You know, I didn't read much about this forum. It was enough to me to know that people here should be able to analyse the situation. I started the thread with a question about what is appropriate and what is not in terms of using HS kids for activities outside of school in connection with ROTC class. As you noted correctly, I was dumb, - dumb to presume that majority of people can read. Now I'm persuaded that this presumption was wrong. Also I noticed that those who can't read assume that people with "non-compliant" point of view are trolls. However, couple of reasonable people let me understand that my daughter's time was not used wrongfully for the purposes of promotion of the real estate business. The lights around the flag are lit in the night.
Want to discuss troll subject again? Then go to the first post, please.
And you know, calling people who ask questions names like "troll" rises questions about freedom of speech.

 

[scoutpilot]

--- You know, I didn't read much about this forum. It was enough to me to know that people here should be able to analyse the situation. I started the thread with a question about what is appropriate and what is not in terms of using HS kids for activities outside of school in connection with ROTC class. As you noted correctly, I was dumb, - dumb to presume that majority of people can read. Now I'm persuaded that this presumption was wrong. Also I noticed that those who can't read assume that people with "non-compliant" point of view are trolls. However, couple of reasonable people let me understand that my daughter's time was not used wrongfully for the purposes of promotion of the real estate business. The lights around the flag are lit in the night.
Want to discuss troll subject again? Then go to the first post, please.
And you know, calling people who ask questions names like "troll" rises questions about freedom of speech.

So your position is that you should be able to come here, decry the possibility that your child might serve in the military, and then be indignant when people dislike your views?

So far, you've done a great job of trolling.

You being called a troll has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I would encourage you to read and understand the 1st Amendment before attempting to start a debate on it.

 

[MMM]

So your position is that you should be able to come here, decry the possibility that your child might serve in the military, and then be indignant when people dislike your views?
.

-- So you didn't read the first post. I expected so.

 

[-Bull-]

-- So you didn't read the first post. I expected so.

Your first post is irrelevant to what Scoutpilot is saying to you. I'm not sure if you are trolling on purpose or are so consumed in your cluelessness that you come off as a troll. I'm leaning towards both...



Let me guess......post number one?

 

[MMM]

Your first post is irrelevant to what Scoutpilot is saying to you. I'm not sure if you are trolling on purpose or are so consumed in your cluelessness that you come off as a troll. I'm leaning towards both...
Let me guess......post number one?

-- Yes, post number 1 = first post = starting post. Not the first post in response to Scoutpilot.

 

[Packer]

I think we are wasting our breath or keystrokes here.

 

[sprog]

To MMM:

You do not have First Amendment rights on this site. It is a wholly private enterprise, and in order to be allowed to post, you must agree with the terms and conditions of the forum rules. I'm sure that was made clear upon your registration for the site.

An excerpt of the forum rules:

"If you are here only to start trouble, please reconsider. This is a patriotic website where we love our country and hold the members of the Armed Forces in the highest esteem. While you are free to discuss and debate policy, tactics, trends, and so forth, posts which criticize the United States in general or the Armed Forces in particular may lead to a ban if the only reason for posting them is to insult or belittle. If you are not an applicant, parent, current SA student, or alumni, the latitude granted to you will be extremely limited"

There are other forums out there to post your opinions if you don't want to conform to the rules at SAF.

 

[scoutpilot]

-- So you didn't read the first post. I expected so.

Oh, we all suffered through the grammatical Hindenburg that was your first post. Why you think that post is relevant to a discussion of your disrespectful, elitist, anti-military posts that came after is still unclear to most of us.

 

[MMM]

Oh, we all suffered through the grammatical Hindenburg that was your first post. Why you think that post is relevant to a discussion of your disrespectful, elitist, anti-military posts that came after is still unclear to most of us.

-- 1) please talk for yourself or provide a proof that someone asked you to represent him or her.
2) If someone wants to find "disrespectful, elitist, anti-military" words, he or she will find them in the phrase "The weather is cold."

 

[MMM]

To sprog

"You do not have First Amendment rights on this site. "
--- I noticed this.

"It is a wholly private enterprise, and in order to be allowed to post, you must agree with the terms and conditions of the forum rules. I'm sure that was made clear upon your registration for the site. "

--- I usually read T&C attentively. I have a feeling that agreeing with them was not a condition of registration.
And I was not criticizing anything. I don't want my daughter to be in army. It is not criticizing. Do I have a right for such a desire? Or not, in this forum's participants' opinion?

 

[-Bull-]

I don't want my daughter to be in army. It is not criticizing. Do I have a right for such a desire? Or not, in this forum's participants' opinion?

Nobody had a problem with you saying you don't want your daughter in the Army. The problem came with the comment that came after. "I need my daughter alive." - Remember this? Probably not because it's probably hidden in the First Amendment of the starting post underneath your gramatical Hindenburg.

I think it's safe to say we all are confused by you. You make little sense and cause a whirlwind of trolling.

 

[Hurricane12]

-- 1) please talk for yourself or provide a proof that someone asked you to represent him or her.
2) If someone wants to find "disrespectful, elitist, anti-military" words, he or she will find them in the phrase "The weather is cold."

Uh, no. But c'mon, man, think about it: you're coming to a site that's all about the US military and people who want to serve in it and saying "I will do everything to prevent [my daughter] from going active duty. I need her alive."

By doing that, you're saying that your child's life is, somehow, objectively more important and significant than the lives of everyone on this site who either has served, is serving, or will serve. By extension, you're saying that the parents on this site don't value the lives of their own children. Please understand that some might find that offensive.

You can't enjoy the freedoms that exist in this country and then try to prevent your kid from joining the organization that protects and ensures that those freedoms can continue.
Is it okay to not be thrilled if you have a kid that wants to be in the military? Sure! My parents still aren't thrilled, and I started at USNA three years ago. But they also realized that I was making an informed decision, wanted to do something to give back to the country, and, most importantly, that it wasn't their call.


(Also, I laughed out loud at "grammatical Hindenburg." Nice.)

 

[sprog]

Someone alert the Mods, please.

 

[goaliedad]

So why exactly did you choose to move to this country ? If you are so against our country and our armed forces maybe you should reconsider your choice.

I come from an immigrant family. Nothing would make me prouder if my children chose to serve our country.

It is an honor and a priviledge to live in a country where one is judged by their actions and not on who their parents are. I am guessing that this is something that your child already grasps since they have chosen to join JROTC.

My sentiments exactly. Like Marist, my maternal grandparents were both born in Italy. My mother's brother nor my grandparents had no qualms about his going off to fight against Moussolini and their former countrymen who chose to support his fascist state. My grandparents who still spoke fluent Italian to their parents insisted that they and their children were Americans who will support their country.

America has a wonderful history of accepting more immigrants from countries with oppressive politicaland economic systems than anyone else. Look up the inscription on the Statue of Liberty (125 years old). And those immigrants by and large are the most supportive of our efforts to bring our concepts of freedom to their homelands. The immigrants who seem to have the least amount of loyalty to this country are those who come here only for the economic advantages (absent political oppression). I find myself wondering which camp you belong in.

You came to this thread wondering about the relationship of JROTC and private endeavors, perhaps because you are suspicious of the relationship of the state with such businesses. You will find that there is a different type of relationship than you might suspect. Military institutions make personnel available to private events where respect for the flag is part of the events not to bring favor to the private event, but to honor the flag and any institution that honors it. It is in no way a governmental endorsement of that private organization as having special favor over any other.

I can see where this has devolved into a mistrust of your motives and I think it can be traced to your misunderstanding of what our military is and isn't. It IS the protector of our national interests around the globe. It ISN'T a domestic force that the government uses to lend favor to politically connected organizations.

Your daughter's participation in JROTC flag events is not a governmental endorsement of a private business but a recognition of that business' respect for our flag and what it stands for.

I think you need to reflect on the idea that our military, while it projects our nation's strenght abroad is not the source of our country's strenght. The source of our country's strength is our system that allows us the freedom to prosper without governmental (and military) oppression. Our military protects our way of life from external threats and is often used to try to spread that same way of life to other countries. While the outcomes of those efforts aren't always perfect, they have helped established many of the great democracies in existance today.