Russian aggression against brave Ukraine

Major Outlets highest standards:biggrin: One Shot One Kill. Hope it is true.
 
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brewmeist said:
I was completely on board with you up until this comment.
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Well, you may not agree with them politically, but they do try to get their facts straight. Why else would they not report on a Russian general getting killed by a sniper? It’s rather obvious. The only people that saw it were the Russians and the sniper.

Fox News is a “major outlet” too and they aren’t reporting it either. I stand by my original point which was that credible news agencies like to verify their stories before they run them.
 
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NJROTC-CC said:
Well, you may not agree with them politically, but they do try to get their facts straight. Why else would they not report on a Russian general getting killed by a sniper? It’s rather obvious. The only people that saw it were the Russians and the sniper.

Fox News is a “major outlet” too and they aren’t reporting it either. I stand by my original point which was that credible news agencies like to verify their stories before they run them.
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Generally, there are only a couple of primary sources to a story like this. Before those primary sources can verify, the rumor has been picked up by 100’s of news consolidators before a proper verification can be made.

A perfect example of “shooting first and asking questions later” would be the Snake Island story.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
My guess is that the story is very difficult to verify. The major outlets have the highest standards of journalism and usually require verification by more than one source. If it is true, they will eventually run the story. The Russians are certainly not going to verify it. And so right now the only source may be the sniper who shot him. That’s not enough to run a new story as being true. The US military could probably verify the story (by way of intercepts of Russian radio traffic) but to do so they would have to reveal their intelligence source. The truth will eventually come out.
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I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not. The idea that US media requires verification by more than one source went bye-bye years ago. More likely media doesn't want to get embarrassed in case the General shows up on camera
 
Jennifer Griffin for Fox just reported that the AP is reporting the Russian General was killed earlier this week by a sniper. First I have seen of it on television.
 
Heatherg21 said:
Jennifer Griffin for Fox just reported that the AP is reporting the Russian General was killed earlier this week by a sniper. First I have seen of it on television.
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Well, Jennifer Griffin, as are most of the Fox/Sky News/WSJ on the ground reporters are as good as they come. So it doesn't surprise me at all they they didn't "rush to report".
 
cb7893 said:
Well, Jennifer Griffin, as are most of the Fox/Sky News/WSJ on the ground reporters are as good as they come. So it doesn't surprise me at all they they didn't "rush to report".
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Her history in the region is impressive. She is my favorite by far. I respect the hell out of her.
 
unkown1961 said:
She had a great rep. I like how she corrects and contradicts guests who appear on her network.
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I agree. She stood her ground the other night describing how she tells what she does. Her method and her purpose as a journalist is to tell the truth first and always. She made that abundantly clear.
She is impartial and a shining light in today’s journalism. I wish more would follow her lead and work their contacts and do decades of research and in country boots on the ground journalism. It seems too often anyone with a mic is suddenly a Monday morning QB.
She is a class act.
 
Heatherg21 said:
I agree. She stood her ground the other night describing how she tells what she does. Her method and her purpose as a journalist is to tell the truth first and always. She made that abundantly clear.
She is impartial and a shining light in today’s journalism. I wish more would follow her lead and work their contacts and do decades of research and in country boots on the ground journalism. It seems too often anyone with a mic is suddenly a Monday morning QB.
She is a class act.
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Judy Woodruff from PBS NewsHour is the closest we have to Walter Cronkite today. Her coverage on NewsHour has been pretty great and thorough on this conflict as well. I highly recommend.
 
moho said:
Judy Woodruff from PBS NewsHour is the closest we have to Walter Cronkite today. Her coverage on NewsHour has been pretty great and thorough on this conflict as well. I highly recommend.
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I do like her and will check out additional coverage. I am old enough to remember dinner at the table, with a 12 inch trinitron tv my mom and dad got from Japan while they were stationed in Guam. Every night we watched the news. It wasn’t a show. It was Walter Cronkite reading from a hand typed piece of paper. He read the paper over his cheaters. He looked up at us, America and stated the facts.
 
As a citizen go grab one of those free rifles and shoot a Russian. We will worry about the money later through legitimate organizations. God helps those who help themselves but thanks for the sentiment. Nice picture it tugs at my heartstrings, but it would be better if she was cradling a AK-47.
 
“We will worry about the money later”

Great

Two weeks ago , the budget auditors among us and on tv where making , who can pay and how much, a litmus test.

It was not about defense or even Putin then it was who can pay as much as we think they should pay. It was all about the money.

Nothing like an invasion and a threat of a nuke attack to keep those “I am only a budget worrier” a little quiet.
 
In the here and now grab the gun before the cash. Anyone remember Duck and Cover?
 
AF6872 said:
Anyone remember Duck and Cover?
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Yes. We had an air raid siren at the end of my street that they would test it every friday morning. And, when I was in kindergarten, in approximately 1964, we had drills where we would go out of the classrooms into the halls which were away from the windows and kneel down facing the walls. We also had “go home drills.” I remember asking what the drills were for and someone told me they were about the “A-bomb” and “H-bomb” which I had never heard of. And remember these signs:

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Crap. We did it in the 50's . Those signs were everywhere then. Grab your right ear with your left hand and your left ear with your right-hand bend over and kiss your a** goodbye.:angel: And that's the way it is.
 
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NJROTC-CC said:
I don't think much of it still exists. That will be Ukraine's downfall. Can't win a modern war without air. Guerrilla warfare will continue, but even that will be difficult because Ukraine is less that 20% forested. Once Russia controls the cities and towns, it will be difficult to wage guerilla warfare.
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Afghanistan and Iraq weren't too forested. Urban guerilla warfare could grind down the Russian army pretty effectively.

Post WW2 the Ukrainian People's Army (with CIA assistance) continued a partisan war against a far more formiddable Red Army until 1953. Stalin was a bit more ruthless and powerful than Mr. Putin, though.
 
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I just hope that the NATO countries don’t look at how badly the Russians are handling this affair and conclude that they should spend less money on defense because the Russians are incompetent. NATO would’ve squashed this invasion in a day or two.
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I suspect NATO (and Sweden & Finland) defense budgets are going to be on the increase for the next 2 decades. Even the hippie Germans are changing their tune.
 
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