Senior Quarterback Dismissed from USNA

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  1. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    http://www.capitalgazette.com/sport...cle_2b3cd1b7-4a45-56a6-a18e-11b468756a5a.html

    I wonder if they would have been so quick to dismiss him had he still been the starter.

    It will interesting to see if the DoD attempts to recoup from this rising 1/c D1 Football Mid.

    I think a better idea for D1 revenue players (Football & Basketball) who are dismissed is to tally the economic contribution that resulted from their play and reduce the debt accordingly.
     
  2. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    How has it not become clear that the Navy's football program is not on the same page as the Naval Academy on what makes a good midshipman? How many problems have they had. At this point (and my opinion doesn't mean much), an officer from the Naval Academy that was a football player while he was at USNA is a notch down.
     
  3. DHinNH

    DHinNH USMA 1989

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    You must need a really big paint can to accommodate that incredibly broad brush.
     
  4. falconfamily

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    There is no "Like" button on this forum. But you get a big :thumb: from me!
     
  5. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Spray paint.... much easier.


    Look, my classmate was Court Martialed, and he was a football player. And each year cadets and midshipmen who play football (and every other sport) are disenrolled for academics, and sometimes conduct or honor violations.

    So, being fully aware of that, the Naval Academy CONSTANTLY is hit with this stuff.

    Maybe it's because a D1 football program carries more weight than "we want honorable midshipmen."

    Maybe the press in Annapolis has a better read on the pulse of the Naval Academy, when compared to the press in West Point, Colorado Springs, New London or Kings Point.

    Maybe the media don't really care about the Coast Guard Academy or the Merchant Marine Academy.

    The point is, I have no idea WHY I have to read about the Naval Academy football players screwing the pooch every other week, but for some reason I do.... and I shouldn't.

    And for some reason, when it isn't the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy is right behind them. And what I could say next about my interaction with cadets and midshipmen from both could be very telling, but highly unpopular. I will say, I'm not entirely surprised. I would be if it was West Point.
     
  6. usna1985

    usna1985 USNA Alumnus

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    I wouldn't say that. The current Commandant, Bill Byrne, was a 3-yr starting quarterback.

    No question there are football players with issues. The unfortunate fact is that their issues tend to be "front page" news whereas other mids who have similar issues don't typically make the news -- unless a huge "scandal."
     
  7. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I can see that being the case, and the reason we read about it.

    If the Coast Guard Academy's QB leaves, I don't think anyone would notice (possibly even cadets), because it's a DIII program. Building cadets is the mission, not winning football games (although winnin is good).

    Maybe Annapolis just cares a little more?
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    In your experience, is a starting QB at Navy treated the same as his classmates? Does he experience the same plebe summer?

    I think we would find, as has been confirmed by some, a different system.
     
  9. Luigi59

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    And the confirmation of the shortcuts in the admissions requirements experienced by recruited D1 football players as well.

    Because playing in front of TV cameras and travelling to Ireland are so important in developing navy officers.
     
  10. rkrosnar

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    First, these athletes must learn, they are in positions of privilege and that nothing should be given to them. We need to demand change, if we don't demand change, nothing will happen. These folks are forgetting the term student-athlete. But then at the Service Academies, there are other responsibilities, as well.

    RGK
     
  11. DHinNH

    DHinNH USMA 1989

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    So you and your classmates should be "a notch down" as well, right?

    Each year, cadets and midshipmen who do not play varsity sports are booted for academics, conduct, and/or honor. That doesn't mean we look at everyone who was associated with them as "a notch down".
     
  12. Pima

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    Can anyone here right now defend the leadership for the FB team?
    Leave notch down aside.

    Why are there no demands from people that the coach should be fired? 4 players. Off campus house.

    Are you all saying he had NO CLUE at all that they had an off campus house where they partied?

    People are not looking at the bigger picture...that is the coach. He placed winning above everything!

    My bet is he did so out of his own fears of retaining a job as a coach.

    JMPO, USNA is in this place, because of the athletic dept., had he held the players to the same stds. as every mid., this would not be an issue at all. You are only hearing FB, FB, FB.

    Off topic, but can someone that believes in red shirting defend why the SA's need to red shirt? The SA's are taxpayer funded. Do they really need to be D I and get the television revenue for their program? Would a HS FB player that wants to serve not go to the USNA if it meant they would be D III?
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Oh, I'm certainly a notch down. I don't even occupy the notch system anymore.
     
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    PIMA, you are dead on. I also believe the powers that be are enamored with finally winning after many years of loosing.

    Among the service academies, it’s no surprise that Navy’s Ken Niumatalolo leads the pack. After racking up 27 wins in his first three seasons — the best start for a coach in school history — Niumatalolo signed a contract extension in April. According to USA Today’s figures, he’ll make $1,538,190 in 2011.

    That figure puts the Navy coach just above the national average of $1.47 million, according to the report. It also gives him a salary higher than those of Air Force coach Troy Calhoun ($866,250) and Army coach Rich Ellerson ($610,000) put together.
     
  15. Pima

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    OMG!

    I expected the coaches made a tidy sum, but 1.5 MN and above the national avg is not what I expected!

    I get it now...it is all about being competitive in the DI world for FB.
     
  16. Luigi59

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    And alumni ego.
     
  17. JMS

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    My two DDs went to big name schools that do not have football at all. Those schools have not had, to my eye, any difficulty attracting applicants who are willing to pay lofty sums in tuition, etc. For what it is worth, athletics generally are after-thoughts at each school.
    I suspect that any of the academies that were to go without football (or any of the D1 sports) would likewise have no difficulty filling class with top shelf, athletic young people. The average SAT for the entering class may even be higher yet. The very few athletes I am familiar with that were admitted to an academy were not registering on the academic Richter scale.
     
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    Would that be a good thing?
     
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    From the Naval Academy Athletic Association: http://www.navysports.com/ot/what-is-naaa.html

    "The NAAA discharges fiscal responsibilities basically through the disbursement of appropriated and non-appropriated funds. Appropriated funds are allocated through the Superintendent's Office for a small percentage of the expenses incurred exclusively by the non-revenue generating programs, typically referred to as "Olympic Sports". Non-appropriated (non-government) funds are generated through admissions charged for intercollegiate athletic contests, mainly football, appearances by football on television, game guarantees, marketing, promotions, corporate sponsorships, dues and gifts from Blue & Gold members of the Association, and from interest on invested funds. All NAAA coaches, administration, and staff are compensated for their professional services via non-appropriated (non-government) funding that is externally generated by the NAAA. All revenue from any source received by the NAAA is committed to the at-large support of the Academy's intercollegiate and club sports athletic programs. The Naval Academy Athletic Association is not a government agency or instrumentality and is not part of the United States Naval Academy or the United States government. The United States Naval Academy, nor the United States government, has any obligation or liability for the actions, decisions, commitments, or liabilities of the Naval Academy Athletic Association."

    Whether USNA simply generates more revenue (possible) or simply uses more of it to pay there football coach (also likely) than USAFA and USMA, I couldn't tell you. But it's not as if our tax dollars are directly paying for his salary, so I do not believe that is as big of an issue as you are making it out to be.

    Just for the record, as a Navy football fan I am just as concerned about the actions of the football team as you all are, and I believe that if they continue it would not at all be unreasonable to consider getting new leadership in the football program.

    And Luigi, as it so happens USNA is not the first service academy to play a football game in Ireland, USMA lost to Boston College in Dublin in 1988.
     
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  20. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Ok.....


    ...although I haven't said anything about Ireland in this thread, or about this subject (or likely even thought it in the last year).

    But if I did, I probably wouldn't excuse it because USMA did it too. West Point doesn't get love just because it's West Point. Every academy should be responsible. At CGA, we went on maybe two or three away games... either in NY or VT. Hardly a hop across the pond. AND I don't think cadets even wanted to go.

    But is the excuse for USNA is "West Point did it"... they may want to cut their coach's pay and start producing crappy football.
     

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