Unspeakable Acts Against Israeli Babies

Small Team Bacsi said:
What you saw was a very recent and thus misleading headline. The poll done by the Washington Institute was done in July.
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I am not sure how you know what I read. Nor am I sure why it matters. I am quite certain the poll was done recently - I believe they talked about support for what they did.

Are you suggesting the support for Hamas is different today than it was in July?
 
Sealion II said:
I don't know the %, but that was my understanding. I believe Israel disengaged from Gaza in 2005 and Hamas was elected in 2007.
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Sealion II said:
I am not the expert here, but I believe Fatah (the former PLO) controls the West Bank. Hamas took over Gaza from them. To say the situation is complicated is an understatement.
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From WIKI

Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt in the Six-Day War in 1967. Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed in 1993, the Palestinian Authority became the administrative body that governed Palestinian population centers while Israel maintained control of the airspace, territorial waters and border crossings with the exception of the land border with Egypt which is controlled by Egypt. In 2005, Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip under their unilateral disengagement plan.

In July 2007, after winning the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas became the elected government.[29][30] In 2007, Hamas expelled the rival party Fatah from Gaza.[31] This broke the Unity Government between Gaza Strip and the West Bank, creating two separate governments for the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

In 2014, following reconciliation talks, Hamas and Fatah formed a Palestinian unity government within the West Bank and Gaza. Rami Hamdallah became the coalition's Prime Minister and had planned for elections in Gaza and the West Bank.[32] In July 2014, a set of lethal incidents between Hamas and Israel led to the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict. The Unity Government dissolved on 17 June 2015 after President Abbas said it was unable to operate in the Gaza Strip.
 
A1Janitor said:
I am not sure how you know what I read. Nor am I sure why it matters. I am quite certain the poll was done recently - I believe they talked about support for what they did.

Are you suggesting the support for Hamas is different today than it was in July?
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I am suggesting you are pointing to a July poll , that you said you only saw the headline, that you think was done last week, a poll you claim must have been put into the field and done during a period of major urban combat including bombing from the air.

Do a search it’s the first thing that pops up is the July poll done by the Washington Institute , with the misleading headline, with the same % in the headline you had read in your headline. .

I am just pointing out you are wrong. It’s not a big deal.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
I am suggesting you are pointing to a July poll , that you said you only saw the headline, that you think was done last week, a poll you claim must have been put into the field and done during a period of major urban combat including bombing from the air.

Do a search it’s the first thing that pops up is the July poll done by the Washington Institute , with the misleading headline, with the same % in the headline you had read in your headline. .

I am just pointing out you are wrong. It’s not a big deal.
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I am telling you they mentioned the actions of Hamas this past week. I am telling you it wasn’t July.

Does this information get in the way of some narrative you have?

I told you when I find it, I will share it.
 
www.washingtoninstitute.org

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.
www.washingtoninstitute.org www.washingtoninstitute.org

Now take a few minutes and find a similar poll with the exact same 57% that was done last week during a raging battle. The only narrative I have is that accurate info should be posted

Who could possibly think that the Washington Institute decided to do a poll last week of all times with bombs raining down?
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
www.washingtoninstitute.org

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.
www.washingtoninstitute.org www.washingtoninstitute.org

Now take a few minutes and find a similar poll with the exact same 57% that was done last week during a raging battle.
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The number went up from 57% and is higher in the article.

I am not sure why you think this matters?

Christian Science Monitor has a piece from a few days ago that discusses it. And a Jewish Rabbi had a great thread about it.
 
I try not to argue with anyone that touts q as a good source of accurate info. But I await you posting your proof.

Accuracy like honesty matters
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
I try not to argue with anyone that touts q as a good source of accurate info. But I await you posting your proof.

Accuracy like honesty matters
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Lmfao.

I am not honest? I am not accurate?

I tout q?

Because I didn’t buy the russian hoax? Because I don’t believe MSM? Because I didn’t believe the laptop was russian disinformation? Because I didn’t believe masks or vaccines work? Because I didn’t believe there was a Russian hit placed on American soldiers in Afghanistan? Because I think our border should be closed? Because I think politicians in our country profited off of Ukraine corruption?

We can agree to disagree.
 
A1Janitor said:
Lmfao.

I am not honest? I am not accurate?

I tout q?

Because I didn’t buy the russian hoax? Because I don’t believe MSM? Because I didn’t believe the laptop was russian disinformation? Because I didn’t believe masks or vaccines work? Because I didn’t believe there was a Russian hit placed on American soldiers in Afghanistan? Because I think our border should be closed? Because I think politicians in our country profited off of Ukraine corruption?

We can agree to disagree.
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Friend let’s let this drop until post the article you found just last night , that you claim you did not read, but did read the headline, that had that 57% approval rate. That you claim was not done in July :)

Your q as a good source of inside info posts can be easily found

Now before the mods get involved I am done but look forward to you posting your proof.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Friend let’s let this drop until post the article you found just last night , that you claim you did not read, but did read the headline, that had that 57% approval rate. That you claim was not done in July :)

Your q as a good source of inside info posts can be easily found

Now before the mods get involved I am done but look forward to you posting your proof.
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I saw it two days ago. If I saw it last night it would have been easier to retrieve.

Do you think the number went up or down since July?
 
cb7893 said:
It seems as though you do believe the MSM so long as it supports your narrative.
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What’s my narrative?

That Palestinians support Hamas, because they think Jews are occupiers of their land?

I was merely pointing out that the majority of Palestinians support Hamas. You don’t think that is true?

Is CSM main stream? I was looking for a link that supports what I said.

As far as MSM - the evidence is clear. They should fire all former intelligence officers. They push state narratives.
 
jbm2m said:
The demonstrations on the campus at which I work were pro-Palestinian, not pro-Hamas.
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Words, timing, and intent matter. To my mind, anyone choosing to demonstrate for an anti-Israel position at this moment in time may be exposing a deeply rooted anti-Semitic view. I would consider the nature of the protest, the particular words used, the timing as all being important. Anything that overtly attacks Israel in the face of what it just suffered is not just pro-Palestinian. But, you saw what you saw. And, apparently, you did not see the evil intent in the timing of the demonstration. I, for one, will view your future posts with a degree of skepticism.
 
cb7893 said:
It seems as though you do believe the MSM so long as it supports your narrative.
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If you claim you only read the headlines I am not sure that equates to believing the MSM or not.

I do hope to be proven wrong. I can’t wait to see a poll that was done since the attack of a few days ago , in a city that had its power shut off and bombs raining down, and has already been discussed extensively in the MSM..

I know pollsters have a rough job getting people to answer questions. But dogging bombs as you ask questions in a survey on attitudes——those brave pollsters id love to read about.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
If you claim you only read the headlines I am not sure that equates to believing the MSM or not.

I do hope to be proven wrong. I can’t wait to see a poll that was done since the attack of a few days ago , in a city that had its power shut off and bombs raining down, and has already been discussed extensively in the MSM..

I know pollsters have a rough job getting people to answer questions. But dogging bombs as you ask questions in a survey on attitudes——those brave pollsters id love to read about.
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Lol

I wrote “Didn’t they elect Hamas as their government?

I saw a recent poll that said 57% of Palestinians support what Hamas did.”

1. Wasn’t Hamas elected?
2. Did I see a recent poll?
3. Are you saying Palestinian support for Hamas wasn’t recently reported at 57%
4. Did I say Palestinian support for Hamas or people being bombed in Gaza support?

What exactly are you disagreeing with?
 
dddad said:
Words, timing, and intent matter. To my mind, anyone choosing to demonstrate for an anti-Israel position at this moment in time may be exposing a deeply rooted anti-Semitic view. I would consider the nature of the protest, the particular words used, the timing as all being important. Anything that overtly attacks Israel in the face of what it just suffered is not just pro-Palestinian. But, you saw what you saw. And, apparently, you did not see the evil intent in the timing of the demonstration. I, for one, will view your future posts with a degree of skepticism.
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We’re going to have to disagree to disagree.

In their shoes, would I have used this time to take their stance? Absolutely not. Do I also remember my ignorance and/or lack of being able to contextualize “the moment” at 18 - yes. Am I choosing to extend grace rather than imply that these very young adults are acting with malicious or “evil” intent - yes. This does not excuse or diminish the the atrocities committed by Hamas, or the collective trauma experienced as a result.

Anecdotally, there’s of an uptick in anti-Palestinian harassment with students, similar in feel (if not extent) to what many Muslim friends of mine experienced at college post-9/11. I don’t think that students choosing to hold a peaceful demonstration to try to provide their perspective and encourage peaceful dialogue is wildly inappropriate (or evil). I think it is primarily driven in response to the blowback they are experiencing here. They are responding the best way they know how, at this point in their lives, to the environment they’re now facing.

I feel I also need to highlight that the group here - the parents of Plebes/Cadets/Mids, Plebes/Cadets/Mids themselves, candidates, and old grads - is not the norm. The 18-20 year olds that are, in many ways, the raison d’etre of this site are unique, outliers, and overwhelmingly come from parents who raised them well (and, for that, I have the utmost respect for practically everyone here). The average 18-20 year old is not that squared away. Just because I would expect more of my DD in such a situation doesn’t mean I expect that of everyone else.

Finally, in terms of approaching my posts with greater skepticism, I’m sorry you feel that way. I do my best, in most instances that aren’t short black and white answers, to be thoughtful and provide context - more so with sensitive topics. Not always successfully, but I try… Whether or not intended, the implication of publicly making that statement doesn’t sit well with me (as clearly my previous post didn’t sit well with you - I get that)… there are several folks here, who I anonymously respect, but with whom I disagree. A certain dad (who I won’t tag because I don’t want to drag him into this) is one, but I know fiercely loves his DS, @A1Janitor (tagged bc he’s already here) is another… bruh, I personally disagree with quite a bit of your posts (pertaining to larger events/context/etc.), but you’re a hell of a resource and you’re here, at this point, to be a help for others. And, regardless, your posts are thought out. I celebrate that…

My point is that I would never intentionally, publicly, on this forum say anything that could imply an overarching lack of value to what you bring, or will bring, to those trying to navigate, or help navigate, the SA/ROTC/military life process.
 
jbm2m said:
Anecdotally, there’s of an uptick in anti-Palestinian harassment with students, similar in feel (if not extent) to what many Muslim friends of mine experienced at college post-9/11. I don’t think that students choosing to hold a peaceful demonstration to try to provide their perspective and encourage peaceful dialogue is wildly inappropriate (or evil). I think it is primarily driven in response to the blowback they are experiencing here. They are responding the best way they know how, at this point in their lives, to the environment they’re now facing.
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I don't know where these incidents are taking place but here in the NYC metro area which by the way has the largest concentration of Jews in the US, literally all of the on campus demonstrations that have been widely reported are pro-palestinian. The university where I teach has many Arab including Palestinian students but (thankfully) there have been no demonstrations by either side. Actually, I'm more nervous for our (few) identifiably Jewish students as there have been numerous anti-semitic incidents in recent years at a number of colleges in the area. Over the same time, I can't recall a single on campus anti-Muslim/anti-Palestinian incident even in the area with the largest concentration of Jews.
 
OldRetSWO said:
I don't know where these incidents are taking place but here in the NYC metro area which by the way has the largest concentration of Jews in the US, literally all of the on campus demonstrations that have been widely reported are pro-palestinian. The university where I teach has many Arab including Palestinian students but (thankfully) there have been no demonstrations by either side. Actually, I'm more nervous for our (few) identifiably Jewish students as there have been numerous anti-semitic incidents in recent years at a number of colleges in the area. Over the same time, I can't recall a single on campus anti-Muslim/anti-Palestinian incident even in the area with the largest concentration of Jews.
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This is DC metro area… What I am hearing from (some) of our students is that what they are experiencing is not believed to be coming from Jewish students. And it’s not physical attacks on students or property - everything I’ve heard about has been verbal. There has been significant/visible police presence as a result of the demonstrations.
 
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